but let's move on to finland, ambassador kirsti kauppi. you've always been known, finland's always been known as a country pretty good on the gender equality level but what's fascinating is this new level that just came out that actually in your country men spend more time with their kids than women, by eight minutes, but still. do you think that's cultural? how much is cultural and how much is policy driven? >> i think it is both. and culture obviously has some impact on policies and policies have an impact on culture. so it is both. i think early on in the history of my nation the -- by the way, the nation is 100 years old as an independent country last year. we celebrated our centennial, the nation is older than that. but early on in the history of my nation, the notion that we need everybody to make it, and to make our country a success. and when we started as an independent country, finland was quite poor, one of the poorest countries in europe. we had a civil war straightaway after the independence and today we are one of the most su