the historian simon schama spoke to kirsty wark from new york. >> it seems he had a great gift of communication. >> yes, but you know, he reveled in the gift of language, actually. he had written poetry, actually. and in some way, he turned to this incredible facility for language into an adoptive instrument, into communication, really. what he hated, kirsty, robert was a great hater of the meretricious and these sanctimonious. he hated theory-loaded discussions about art and the hated the audacious, finely dressed explicit nest of the artwork. what he loved was the rough craft of art. he went along with michelangelo and rembrandt in believing that you labor physically with art before you could get a yield of true greatness. >> did he have all blindness spot for some conceptual art? -- a blind spot. he did not have a love for conceptual art, did he? >> was not keen on the. but i will tell you why. he was fine with conceptual art so long as the concepts were banal. he said one painter's concepts have all the profundity of a sampler. i think what bob minded was the notion that those who did not,