i decide that i want to go to kirtland temple and just visit the place. i've never been there.y, meditate, and see if i can -- god will touch me in any way or let me know anything that he wants in my life. what direction in my life. so i'd never heard of jeff lundgren before that day. and that is where we first met. we spent about six hours after that tour talking to him, his wife and some of the things going on in the church and so forth. and then we met some of the other people that were there. what there seemed to be is a collection of people who all seemed to have the answers to their questions. and that was very attractive to me because i was still not finding those answers to my questions. everything i was reading was saying, okay, you have to go to ohio to get it. i became convinced that we would have to move up there if we were really going to get the answers we were looking for. >> abruptly, he decides to move his family from missouri to ohio. >> the step, it was like a seducti seduction, and people are awfully welcoming, they're awfully nonjudgmennonjudgmental looking