kishore, do i still have you?>> i just want to ask you very quickly, how do you think china is reacting to all this? because what i notice is that china is itself -- you talk about treating it with respect. but under xi, china has become more nationalistic, the foreign ministry spokesman now openly mocks the secretary of state, openly talks about this is the -- this is the spokesman for the chinese foreign ministry says the united states military has concocted this virus. while -- as i said, i think that we are being somewhat unfair in implying that china deliberately ceded this virus, but the chinese foreign ministry is taking a ridiculous conspiracy theory and airing it as well. china surely has some part to blame here as well. >> i completely agree with you that both sides should stop these insults, stop this blame game and, by the way, some scientists have come out in both lancet and in nature to say this was clearly -- didn't come from a lab. that's very, very clear. i just heard a lecture from a virology spe

kishore, to pick up on something you were entioning earlier, you talked about good governance in asiauded china in that. people a lot of would take exception to that. >> yes, of course they because, you know, in framework, the necessary condition of good democracy. is and clearly china, does not have a democracy. by definition, under the western definition, china governance good because it doesn't have a democracy. n fact, most social scientists would measure good governance in terms of hether or not you're succeeding in improving the well-being of your people, look at the overall record of the last years, no government has done as good job as china has in improving the well-being of its people and, in fact, the livelihood of the chinese people have done better in 40 years than they have in the past 4,000 years. now, it's a sad contrast, statistic, the united major is the only developed country that the average income of the bottom 50%, has gone down over a 30-year period, and this is reason why i -- has china won, the united states should focus now on well-being of its people rather