kiffin -- kisner ev and pro russian separatist are meeting. the meeting comes a day after the ukraine parliament dropped the country's non-aligned status. russia said it was counterproductive, a move which could allow it to try to join nato. that joining could be something like eight or 10 years away. but it was certainly a move further away from russia. very little is expected to emerge from this meeting. >> the fact they are talking is definitely worth talking about. these are closed-door talks. we don't know specifically what they are saying behind closed doors, but we have been given a pretty good idea. they have no derth of issues to discuss. i say talks because we have a first round today. if these are successful, there is supposed to be a second round on friday. presumably they take a break for christmas tomorrow. they are talking about prisoner exchange. both sides are holding prisoners. the usain korans have signaled they are ready to release up to 225 prisoners they have taken. the ukrainian security services estimate 630 prisoners a