>> osgood: next, questions for henry kissinger.nt our kids to eat their vegetables, but we all know kids would rather they just disappear. ♪ make me say la la la la la la ♪ [ woman ] now with a little magic from mom, there's an easy way to get kids the nutrition they need. mott's medleys has two total fruit and veggie servings in every glass but magically looks and tastes just like the fruit juice kids already love. mott's medleys. ♪ la la la [ woman ] invisible vegetables. magical taste. >> osgood: 34 years after leaving office former secretary of state henry kissinger remains as outspoken as ever. he takes a look back with our harry smith. >> reporter: there is no mistaking henry kissinger. at 87, he is instantly recognizable. though perhaps missing the physical vigor with which he walked the world stage. >> you've been coming up here.... >> reporter: we were rare guests at his private enclave in rural connecticut. what is it about getting out of the city and coming out here to this splendid countryside that is important to you?

look at china, its history and its relationship with the united states through unique eyes-- henry kissinger, whose new book is called "on china." >> what ought to be done is to establish a permanent dialogue at a high level of making sure that we interpret events as they occur in a parallel way and if we don't how we manage our disagreements. that we don't wait for things to bottle up and then wind up in a confrontation. it hasn't yet really wound up in a conontation and i thi is possible to achieve what i'm describi. but in each country there are trends that see the other as enemies. there's an... not really doing it, too, b as i answer questions about this book... >> rose: right. >> ...over half of have seen china as an established enemy. >> rose: kissinger on china for the hour. next. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in neyork city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: henry kissinger is here. the former national security advisor and secretary of state has just written a new book. it is called "on china." he writes both as

joshua cooper remo, managing director of kissinger associates. before that he was "time" magazine's youngest ever world editor. and kishore mahbubani has been a career diplomat representing singapore around the world and heading its foreign office. he's now the head of the school of public policy. welcome to all of you. kishore, the killing of osama bin laden, how has it been perceived around the world outside of the united states? >> i think the world is better off with osama being eliminated. nobody cried, i guess, when he left the scene. but at the same time i was actually very troubled by the celebrations that you saw in america about his killing because it seemed to imply that hey, the problem is over, we can now carry on. the fundamental problem of disconnect within america and the islamic world, america at one point, 2 million muslim, still remains. it is important to not believe that the killing of osama bin laden has solved all their problems. indeed and there's probably a greater need now for america to engage islamic world mostly to tr

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kissinger, mr. ladies and gentlemen -- on behalf of my mother, i extend my congratulations. your statue is wonderful. mother and i are so grateful to you and special gratitude also goes to governor schneider and the people of michigan. and it to the u.s. house of representatives and the senate for making this remarkable tribute to dad a true reality. the rotunda has been a part of the ford family for decades. as a young girl, i accompanied my dad to the capital on weekends and as we played hide and seek in this very room and in statutory all, four hours. in 2006 by returned under very different circumstances for dad's state funeral. when our -- when the last of our family gathered in the rotunda, it was a time to remember and they tied to say goodbye. those were very difficult days. but we drew strength and comfort from many kindnesses from the house and senate, and both sides of the aisle. we were strengthened by the unprecedented tribute the house and senate paid to dad. i remember my feeling of p

is that it does not have a say should diplomat who can crack heads -- zinski or to center, -- or kissinger, or holbrooke, who was so reined in. it did seem like a very interesting idea that if you control the message so much, control your people so much, or george mitchell some much, you can never get over the hump. by the way, the president did not say anything about george mitchell, who just stepped out, which seemed to me sort of a small. >> george mitchell, who succeeded in northern ireland but who is leaving -- >> and who i believe is a towering figure, enormous talent and commitment. underlying his whole speech, and i thought the president did well on virtually all of that -- is the reality that the arab spring has occurred without the united states. this happened not because of us, not in spite of us, but quite apart from us. that is a difficult position for americans, and we're playing catch-up in much of this. bahrain -- colby mentioned to saudi arabia -- the bahrain insurrection was put down by saudi troops, and anytime saudi troops do something, there is the legitimate deception

kissinger, japanese ambassador fujisaki, ladies and gentlemen.tend congratulations to sculptor brett grill. brett, your statue is wonderful. mother and i are so grateful to you and special gratitude also goes to governor snyder and the people of michigan. and to the u.s. house of representatives and the senate for making this remarkable tribute to dad a true reality. the rotunda has been a part of the ford family for decades. as a young girl, i accompanied my dad to the capital on weekends and happily played hide and seek in this very room and in statutory hall. for hours and in 2006, i returned but under very different circumstances for dad's state funeral. when our last of our family gathered in the rotunda, it was a time to remember and a time to say good-bye. and those were very difficult days. but we drew strength and comfort from many kindnesses of both the house and the senate members and from both sides of the aisle. but in particular we were strengthened by the unprecedented tribute the house and senate paid to dad. i remember my feeling

i ran into henry kissinger today, the grand sage of american foreign policy. he was making the point and he's made it many times in recent weeks that the people who start revolutions are rarely the people who finish them. we've seen a lot of revolutions hijacked. think of iran 1979. revolutions that start with some promise and then some other force moves in. i think that's the biggest challenge president obama faces now. when he goes out to the g-8 meeting in a few weeks in france you are going to see a huge aid package to egypt in an effort to try to guide that. if they lose egypt, the rest is not in good shape. gwen: ok. thank you both. on the domestic front, things are heating up slowly but surely in the 2012 presidential campaign. to-wit, two more candidates are in the republican ring -- texas congressman ron paul and former house speaker newt gingrich. plus, mitt romney began a separate is campaign, defending himself against critics who say his massachusetts health care plan was the blueprint for president obama's. >> a lot of pundits around the nation ar

and so what did kissinger do?he reached into his diplomatic tool bag and opened subtle diplomacy with the questions and got out his e eraser and rescored. well, it turned out he a hadn't eaten red meat since 1949. turned out he exercised several times a day. turns out all of these things. and he rescored it all. and at the end it turned out after the rescoring that he had eight years to live. now, that's what we fight in journalism everywhere in the world, the rescoring that takes place by people in government, particularly in business, in the media. in working on my last book, "obama's wars," i know i would interview people sometimes hours or days after an event and then six months ago you would revisit the decision point, ask they'd say, oh, yeah. well, my view was the following. huh-uh. you know, four hours after the meeting you said this. rescoring. everyone is trying to rescore history and be -- and reality. that is what we're fighting against, it is, it's inherent in the white house whether democrats or repu

then to be whisked away on air force 2 back home to israel under presidential quarter of nixon and kissinger ordered air force to to fly the body and the family home. they have been unbelievably diligent to get to the bottom of who killed their dad and i must say they were very successful to get chasing shadows it is out last week coinciding with the film and from what i've understand it is doing quite well. i am very proud the colonel alon family has closure. when you do these cases my boss knows you can only do the best you can during these investigations that everybody looks for the absolute. very rarely do have absolutes. you have the operation, the theme, a 75% of the puzzle you may get lucky to get 90% but never 100%. at least based on the cases that i have worked. you know, who did it and why but you never get one hedge 8%. i am optimistic with the media surrounding the book here in the united states and being published in the united kingdom that missing pieces of our intelligence gaps are filled by anything that perhaps we messed. but at the end of the day i think colonel alon family

well dr steve put chanakya served under baker kissinger and others as the deputy secretary of state in those departments came on my show first in two thousand and two in april and said this and then i did talk to a large house source high level well known here in austin texas and then through another trusted media source who talked to another person in the white house that that is the case and we've seen all the dirty dog lad leave that a lot of people told you this or told you that they knew somebody told you this i'm i'm just wondering why why would you know if they knew. it only is your question what they needed to keep to keep the myth of bin laden alive. you know for the next seven eight nine years if they had admitted that he was dead then they would be able to teach school kids to be afraid of him that he was under the table so the t.s.a. has to stick their hands down again like all right you know tom of the credit for this why not ok we have gone around oh why didn't credit because this is i'm not partisan with this for the tea party doesn't believe it or didn't believe it worl

. >> former secretary of state henry kissinger, nancy pelosi, and boards daughter also attended today'seremony. he passed away back in 2006. >> those were some strange times in american politics. >> saving you money behind the wheel and using cruise control is just one tick. -- tip. >> exactly who is affected and what information has been compromised. >> how you can help, coming up. >> a line of thunderstorms in western pennsylvania. the insta-weather-plus forecast is straight ahead. >> here is a look at what is coming up. new information to nights about the raid that led to the killing of osama bin laden in pakistan. yeardley love is being honored at her school. >> do you have any kids books that you no longer want? >> you might want to participate in an event this weekend. >> she is a sixth grader in baltimore city. she has read 20 books this year. >> it gives us a lot of books to read so that weekend have books to read. >> books for kids date is an annual one-datebook drive break this year's event is this saturday. the nation's go into a book bank of sorts where cash strapped public

secretary of state under kissinger came on my radio show in april two thousand and two the transcript of that is up on in force dot com and they had a photo that was fake that they showed us of him being dead and said oh it was fake sorry they threw him in the oceans nobody could see it i mean they may have thrown a ham sandwich in the arabian sea i'm going to growl is i mean let's talk about this i mean you're asserting that not only has not been long but the other four you know most wanted terrorist by the us have at some point in recent history been sort of in bed with her a little too close for comfort on wishing the ira with the u.s. government a couple questions about that you know what interest if osama bin laden it was in fact you know killed long before yesterday i don't understand why you think president bush wouldn't want that to be revealed and also you know why they would have decided eventually now to kill osama bin laden if he was indeed sort of working with the u.s. . well they had to introduce us first to amarillo lockheed publicly traded by the us military they had i

you know, recent events bring to mind henry kissinger's leapt at one point saying there can be no crisist week, my schedule's already full. [laughter] i thought about that when i was thinking about what i was going to say tonight, and i began to recall the last time that i was in israel several years ago, and i'll never forget visiting the northern border with lebanon standing there with the solders, many of them 18 and 19 years old, and the closest of the enemy hit me how israel doesn't get to choose its batter space. where i stood on the border is 100 miles from jerusalem, about the same distance my home in ohio is from our state capitol in columbus. i feel a responsibility to help ensure that our nation keeps its political and financial commitments and maintains this role as the beacon of freedom and democracy. [applause] it's in that spirit that i join with all of you tonight. much has been said about the special bond between israel and the united states. ambassador orrin called israel the ultimate ally, and i couldn't agree more. [applause] in the last 63 years through all the threa

lot depends on who you workf for including henry kissinger you're likely to get goods lessons of strategy and how to develop copps. if youre work for tim baker you're likely to learn about steelmaking as he did getting involved in the conference. also you're likely to geto lessons of creative humility and the significance of the initiative like the middleitia east partnership initiative.ai and fortunately we have so many exemplary individuals that it works very well with the personal examples. i do not suggest any marinara optimal. and as susan was suggestingven and even if you're not so fortunate to work with some of these people you learn such questions from the practitioners. and also lowered dick holbrooke who tries to indoor or call colin powell reit? would be great to have the book from crocker on diplomacy are a book from kennedy on management inand diplomacy? lowered from grossman? i believe this is an area foror improvement and i assume this is what the academy of diplomatic studies and training has in mind with thise series on diplomats and diplomacy and also for the high value

kissinger once said that russia expanded by the equivalent of a belgium every year for two years. that is energy. [laughter] that was hardly american. it seems to me that the idea that the quality, all men are created equal, is the fundamental axiom. the political phrase in the declaration is like liberty and the pursuit of happiness. the constitution's intent is to create something that will protect that. i grew up in canada were the founding constitution was the bna of 1867. it defines the purpose of the constitution as peace, order, and good government. think of how different that is from life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness which is a trinity expressing aspects of the same idea. is all about liberty and that's what makes this different from every other country. >> do you want to get in on this? i would like to move the conversation, leaving teddy roosevelt behind and begin to talk about what we ourselves think americans are today? >> to is important to say -- is important to say that there was a surge of emigration and roosevelt was not speaking specifically to the fami

. >> my students like henry kissinger was also congratulations. [laughter] >> he was a distinguished professor at georgetown and has presented here as well. [laughter] >> in the end of history you argue liberal democracy represents the end point* of history which is to say that unlike previous stages it does not contain within itself the seeds of its own destruction to have the internal contradictions that have destroyed all others. in the first chapter of your new book you touch on disturbing famous the notion that the government is bad and not needed stratification of wealth the rise of corporations but the 20 years since he published history do doubt we're at the end of history or see the destruction of what we thought was the end to spawn something new? >> a couple of different parts of the answer i have been thinking a lot over the last 20 years. [laughter] i have not sat still and one of the themes is what i picked up from huntington's because one thing you see clearly is you create institutions four 1/7 purposes then people invest with the

if you work for someone like henry kissinger, you're likely to get good lessons in few political strategy and how to develop real options. if you work for somebody like jim baker, you're likely to learn a lot about dealmaking as he did in getting assaulted the madrid conference. if you work for somebody like dirk berg, you're likely to get humility and significance of an initiative like middle east partnership initiative. unfortunately, we have so many exemplary individuals and we have such a small workforce that it does fairly well with these personal examples that not i suggest anywhere. as susan was suggesting, i think we should be more deliberate in tapping best says so that even if you're not so fortunate as to work with one of these people, you can run lessons from such practitioners. it's helpful, for example, to see how george tenet analyzes the forces of soviet conduct or to learn how someone like holbrooke tries to end a war or how colin powell leads. wouldn't it be great to have a poke from ryan crocker on expeditionary diplomacy. from jack kennedy on management and diplomacy.

after the trip by mentioned were secretary kissinger went to china and the nixon went to shanghai, wead the chinese pingpong team which was hosted by s, and since then, we have sought to educate members of congress, governors, mayors, the public about china as well as the chinese leadership about the united states. we have numerous programs you can read about our website to come -- website, ncuscr.org. host: how are you offended? guest: grants from the government, the department of education, the department of state, no. foundations. about 20% of our funding is from corporate america and a little less than 5% from individuals. host: on the republican line, misery -- missouri. caller: can you please explain how china benefited from these policies? guest: when they joined the world trade organization, almost 10 years ago, it was required we give them a permanent favored nation treatment so they were treated in the terms of imports to the 90 states as every other country. that was a prerequisite to their joining the world trade organization. we do not every new the most favored nation tr

to george bundy in the vietnam conflict and bundy is pushing for johnson to escalate in 1965 and kissingerng nixon and nixon agreeing that they need to make the chilean. when it comes to doing the job, the national security adviser is told to do, that is coordinate national security policy, discipline the system. i think i would have to agree. >> i think we need a longer discussion on it one night. that is absolutely where the debate would focus, who did the worse version of that job. thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thanks for having me. >>> after a week of very serious news, we'll show you what the kings of late night had to say about the death of the world's most wanted man. first, the battle over gay marriage. one elected official in minnesota takes the talk of god and gays and asks the religious to rethink their position. it's in tonight's rewrite. a luminous protein in jellyfish, impact life expectancy in the u.s., real estate in hong kong, and the optics industry in germany? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. it's just one rea

we dem on straighted both in war making and peacemaking, kissinger, carter and baker, the three, thatould actually succeed. right now, we're stuck, stuck in a region we can't fix or stuck in a region which we cannot extricate ourselves. they had news for great power. >> it sounds like bad news the way you're saying it. there's an article which quoted the administration official saying the policy right now would lead from behind. what does that mean, lead from behind? >> i don't know the exact context. >> talking about libya and elsewhere. >> but the real issue is this. we have a disjuncture between our needs and goals in the region. we're not dealing with events in one country. we're dealing with events over a vast region that may be unfolding over a number of year, we have to find a way to have a sustainable policy. therefore if we push too hard. if we remove governments, much as happened. we'll own it afterwards. you have to do the state building, which has not been easy or cheap for us, therefore there is a sense we need to telegraph -- >> is right now the net positive -- net resul

the fellow students like henry kissinger were simply awful so congratulations. >> distinguished professor at georgetown has written a book, fascinating book. >> in the end of history and the last man you argue that liberal democracy represents the end point of history which is to say unlike previous stages of history does not contain within itself the seeds of its own destruction. does not have the internal contradictions that have destroyed all others. in the first chapter of your new book you touch on some disturbing themes in our culture. the notion among a lot of people that government is simply bad and not needed additional stratification of wealth, rise of corporations. in the 20 years since you've published the end of history have you had reason to doubt that we are in fact that the end of history or might we be seeing destruction of what we thought was the end of history to spawn something new? >> a couple different parts of the answer to that. i have been thinking a lot in the last 20 years. i haven't stood still. one of the important themes in the current book is one i've picked

of disengagement were negotiated many, many years ago by none other than secretary of state henry kissingerready said. so if you go back and look at this border, this border is as quiet as a tomb and the syrians would never allow the palestinians to come close to the golan heights and to come close to the border with israel. this is completely a transparent ploy by the syrian regime. they are killing their own people. they're at war with their own people. and i think this is just a very, very transparent action. >> you know, and fouad, we watch these videos, i talk to these truly heroic people who are willing to speak out even at great risk to their life, and we continue to follow this, but you know, i get e-mails from people all the time saying what can we do? it seems so heartbreaking. we're watching this, and it doesn't seem like there's anything that can be done about it by outside governments or anything. do you -- is there anything that can be done? >> i think i understand this helplessness. and if you take a look at the assets of the syrian regime, if you compare the syrian regime an

. >> rose: what secretary kissinger said to me was that many chinese believe the united states wants to contain their growth and development do you believe that? >> ( translated ): just the united states... does the united states want to contain china's development. actually, during president hu jintao's visit to the united states the u.s. government and president obama himself said on many occasions that the united states hoped to see prosperity and development in china and believed that this would serve the world and the united states. nibble what your president said. >> what do you think the biggest misconception is about your country from america in general? >> ( translated ): i don't think this is misconception, it is more of a lack of understanding. >> rose: what do you want us to understand? >> ( translated ): well, in the first place it is not easy to really know china because china is an ancient civilization and we are of the oriental culture. and for the americans, the united states is the world's number one superpower and the american people are a... if they're asked to ch

of disengagement were negotiated many, many years ago by none other than secretary of state henry kissingerady said. so if you go back and look at this border, this border is as quiet as a tomb and the syrians would never allow the palestinians to come close to the golan heights and to come close to the border with israel. this is completely a transparent ploy by the syrian regime. they are killing their own people. they're at war with their own people. and i think this is just a very, very transparent action. >> professor ajami, appreciate your time tonight. jill dougherty as well. we'll look for that speech on thursday and see what happens with the u.s. policy. >>> coming up, the floodgates are open. water from the mississippi pouring across the lowlands of louisiana after the army corps of engineers opens up a spillway. homes and businesses are in the path, sure to be damaged. we'll have the latest casualties of the historic flooding in the south. we'll get a live update from martin savidge next. >>> and later, the head of the international monetary fund. this story is just bizarre. the

defense spending, and there's a great debate in his administration between achenson and then harry kissingeres in as well as a young consultant at that point, and there's a real argument about how hard of a line to take, how are we going to respond and overcome this image of weakness? at the same time while they are trying to decide how to respond to the ultimatum, khrushchev moving things ahead and approved after the summit walter's plan for a border closeture and -- closure and puts it on fast forward. i think as a result of the vienna summit, khrushchev thinks he can go forward. one of the strongest findings in the book, kennedy helped write the script for the berlin wall. i'm not sure that's been said quite that strongly. the messages he sent in vienna and afterwords to khrushchev, if you don't touch west berlin's freedom, you can do what you want to do in your own territory, and that's what he did when he put up the wall or approved the border closure and the berlin wall. it was all within east berlin territory. >> host: we are steeped in the issues of the german problem, but maybe expl

>> there's still a lot of time to play out, as you know, when henry kissinger asked mao tse-tung about the french revolution he said "it's too early to tell whether it was a success." so i think it's... >> rose: too early to tell. >> it's early to tell but on the other hand it really took our eyes of the ball. i think that even president bush himself in his own more honest moments might want to review that decision and think about it somewhat differently. there's no doubt that some of the top foreign policy minds in washington believe that it was one of the biggest follies, errors, in american presidential history. certainly it's the judgment of many of the... >> rose: do you think that's that large of a mistake today? >> yeah. if you look at the costs that have been built up, if you look at the distractions, if you look at our... how far we're stretched, i think that's right. things could still turn out for the best in iraq. one has to stay engaged there. one did break up a logjam there. but i don't think we ever went in thinking it was going to be quite this long or quite this... >>

debate in his administration between atchison and particularly arthur schlesinger and then henry kissinger comes in at that point as a young consultant on the anti-atchison side at that point. >> host: yeah. >> guest: and there's a real argument about how hard of a line to take, how are we going to respond. how do we overcome this image of weaknesses? at the same time, while they're trying to decide how to respond to this ultimatum from khrushchev, khrushchev is looking at things ahead and he's approved after the summit walter's plan for a border closure. >> host: uh-huh. >> guest: and he puts this on fast forward. so i think as a result of the vienna summit, khrushchev thinks he can go forward. >> host: uh-huh. >> guest: i think one of the strongest findings of the book and i feel very strongly about this, kennedy helped write the script for the berlin wall. i'm not sure it's been said before in any book this strongly. the his words were if you don't touch west berlin -- if you touch the access to west berlin or to the freedom, you can do whatever you want to do in this territory and that

[inaudible] >> fellow students like henry kissinger were simply awful. so congratulations.[laughter] [inaudible] >> hi. in the end of history in -- "the end of history and the last man" do you argue that liberal democracy represent the input of history, capital h. history, which is to say that unlike previous stage of history does not contain within itself the seeds of its own destruction and doesn't have a central contradictions that it destroyed all others. in the first chapter of your new book you touch on some disturbing things in our culture, the notion amongst a lot of people do, is simply bad and not needed. the stratification of wealth, the rise of corporations. in the 20 years since you published the end of history, have you have reason to doubt that we are, in fact, at the end of history, or do you think we might be seeing the destruction of what without was the end of history to spawn something new? >> well, i -- a couple of different parts of the answer to that so i have been thinking a lot in the last 20 years. i haven't sat still. one of the important means in

debate in his administration between atchison and particularly arthur schlesinger and then henry kissingeromes in as well at that point as a young consultant on the anti-atchison on that point. and there's an argument about how hard a line we are going to take and this image of weaknesses at this time, while they're trying to respond to this ultimatum, khrushchev is moving things ahead and he's approved after the summit obert's plan for a border closure. >> uh-huh. >> and he puts this on fast forward. and so i think as a result of the vienna summit, khrushchev thinks he can go forward. >> uh-huh. >> i think one of the most -- the strongest findings of the book and i feel very strongly about this, kennedy helped write the script for the berlin wall. i'm not sure that's ever been said in any book quite this strongly. the message he set in vienna and afterward to khrushchev were, if you don't touch west berlin, if you don't touch the access to west berlin or west berlin's freedom, you can do whatever you want to do in your own territory and that's what khrushchev did when he approved the bord

and then henry kissinger comes in be as well at that point as a young consultant on the anti-achesonide at that point. and there's a real argument about how hard of a line to take, how are we going to respond, how do we overcome this image of weakness? at the same time, while they're trying to decide how to respond to this ultimatum from kruschev, kruschev's moveing things ahead, and he's approved after the summit the plan for a border closure. and he puts this on fast forward. so i think as a result of the vienna summit kruschev thinks he can go forward. i think one of the most, the strongest findings of the book, and i feel very strongly about this, kennedy helped write the script for the berlin wall. i'm not sure that's ever been said in if any book quite this strongly. the messages he sent in vienna and afterward to kruschev were if you don't touch west berlin, if you don't touch the axis to west berlin or its freedom, you can do whatever you want in our own testimony, and that's what kruschev did when he put up -- when he approved the border closure and the berlin wall's constru

you're still also, are you not, the henry kissinger senior fellow? he was until recently the fellow for u.s. foreign policy at the council on foreign relations. now, i have a special affinity for walter both because we write about similar topics, largely from a similar perspective, and because we were both obscure analysts, academics, scholars in the 1990s writing books for the century foundation in new york. now, our respective books were published in 2002, and that's where the affinity stopped. walter's book became very well known, and walter became famous, and i remain an obscure professor. [laughter] but walter's 1992 book is a real gem. i assigned that book and have assigned it since it came out every year to my graduate foreign policy course. it is one of those books that has a timeless quality to it. i'm speaking, of course, of "special providence: american foreign policy and how it changed the world." the book not only popularized the schools of thought idea that has inspired our project in terms of it application to foreign countries, but it

so what did kissinger do?ched into his diplomatic tool back and got out his eraser and prescored. it turned out that he had not eaten bread and meat since 1949. his exorcised several times per day. here scored all of this. at the end, it turned out after the restoring that he had eight years to live. that is what refi in journalism everywhere in the world, the restoring that takes place by people in governments, particularly in the business, the media and in working on my last book, i would interview people for sometimes hours, days after an event. then you would revisit the decision point and they would say, "my view would be -- ." four hours after the meeting you would say this. reif scoring. everyone is trying to restore history and reality. that is what we are fighting against. it is an inherent in the white house, whether democrats or republicans. everywhere in the world, there is the restoring of history by people who made the decisions. journalists have to come in with a method that will provide a more

literally 40 years ago next month, secretary kissinger had his secret mission to china. in order to help us resolve the conflict in vietnam, to oppose the expansion of the soviet union, we decided we needed to establish diplomatic relations with china. we did. over the years, it has evolved into a much broader and more complex relationship. viewing china as communist, the party the rules is called the chinese communist party. but its relationship to traditional communism is rather limited. we often joke that if you change the name to the china democratic party or the chinese socialist party or something else, it would more accurately reflect what has happened in china since 1979. host: they still, indiana, paul is on the republican line. the debates bill -- indiana, paul is on the republican line. caller: i have been wondering about the mechanics. is it true that we need them as much as they need us? guest: we need each other. that is absolutely right. the mechanics are that it is not a currency that freely trades. the rate of exchange between the dollar and the chinese