kissinger and i agreed that evenif was.agreed that even if we went to a cocktail party and mao was there and we didn't know him, he would have exuded some power and attraction. this was not to glorify him. he was a monster in many ways. the meeting itself puzzled us at first. it was only about one hour with translation. we immediately recognise the significance of this. the chairman was declaring visit a success from the very beginning. at the conclusion of the meeting, the chinese came in with photographs of all of us at the meeting. nixon and kissinger looted each other and then told mao that mr lord is never at this meeting, please cut him out of all the photos, because i was sitting next to kissinger. it was already humility ten for the secretary of state not to be at the meeting will be national security adviser was. but to have in addition to that some idiot in his early 30s also sitting in a meeting... it's worth coming 16,000 miles tossed to stand here and see it. the well. join me in reading glasses to chairman mao

henry kissinger on north korea. mr.issinger: i think a better someould be to send private emissaries to the chinese and say, here is our notion of the evolution of the region, if things continue as they are. clash by military somebody is inevitable. charlie: the president's decision on daca, experts weigh in on north korea and a moment with henry kissinger when we continue. ♪ charlie: we begin with this. the trump administration has said it will end daca that obama era program that grants temporary status to undocumented immigrants brought to the uss children. jeff sessions announced the decision this afternoon. attorney general sessions: the program known as daca that was effectuated under the obama administration is being rescinded. the daca program was implemented in 2012 and essentially provided legal status for recipients for a renewable two-year term worker authorization and other benefits including participation to mostly adult illegal aliens. the policy was implemented unilaterally to great controversy and legal

iwas sitting here next kissinger.humiliating for the american secretary of state not to be at the meeting while the national security adviser was, but to have in addition some punk in his early 30s also sitting in at the meeting... it's worth coming 16,000 miles just to stand here and see the wall. join me in raising your glasses to chairman mao and to the friendship of the chinese and american people. we we re of the chinese and american people. we were in the middle of a geopolitical earthquake. it was a combination of nerves of steel working on this but also a sense that we were frankly in the midst of making history. winston lord remembering the key moment in us— chinese relations. remember you can watch witness every month on the bbc news channel or you can catch up on all our films news channel or you can catch up on all ourfilms and news channel or you can catch up on all our films and more than 1000 radio programmes on our online archive. now to one of the greatest finds of the 20th century. in the spring of 1

cut him out of all the photos, because i was sitting next to kissinger.ady humiliating for the secretary of state not to be at the meeting while the national security adviser was. but to have in addition to that some idiot in his early 30s also sitting ina meeting... it's worth coming 16,000 miles tossed to stand here and see it. join me in raising your glasses to chairman mao and to the friendship of the chinese and american people. we were in the middle are the geopolitical earthquake. it was a combination of nerves of steel working on this, but also the sense that we were frankly in the midst of making history. winston lord, remembering a key moment in us chinese relations. remember, you can watch witness every month on the bbc news channel, or you can catch up on all our films along with more than 1000 radio programmes in our online archives. just go to our website. now to one of the greatest archaeological finds of the 20th century. in the spring of 1974, local farmers in china accidentally uncovered the site of the vast terracotta army. our next wit

henry kissinger on north korea.issinger: the best way would be to send some private .missaries it is our notion of the evolution of the region. military clash, it is inevitable. experts weigh in on north korea and a moment with henry kissinger when we continue. we begin with this. the trump administration has thatit will end daca grants temporary status to undocumented immigrants brought to the uss children. jeff sessions announced the decision this afternoon. attorney general sessions: the program known as daca that was effectuated under the obama administration is being rescinded. the program was implemented in 2012 and essentially provided legal status for recipients for a renewable two-year term worker authorization and other benefits including participant tatian -- mostly adult to illegal aliens. implemented unilaterally to great controversy and legal concern. extend benefits on numerous occasions to this game group. it deliberately thought to achieve what the legislative branch was physically refused to author

secretary of state henry kissinger and now. reports. a nobel peace prize winner silence on the military crackdown of the rohingya in myanmar. is under international pressure as hundreds of thousands of the long persecuted raheem just steamed into bangladesh they told her stories their villages burned women raped and children killed. landmines another danger as they crossed the border united nations secretary general caused a crisis a textbook example of ethnic cleansing do you believe this is ethnic cleansing well i would answer your question with another question when one third of the growing a population of the country can you find a better word to describe it. as on some churchy is urged to take strong stands on behalf of the rohingya critics are asking whether her peace prize can be revoked the nobel committee in norway is no stranger to controversy or pressure throughout the prices hundred sixteen year history many winners have been accused of not deserving the honor in two thousand and twelve the european union received the prize

henry kissinger. matt: another interesting thing josh green gets into in the piece is how bannon has cultivated this group of old cold war years from the -- warriors to help them build this anti-china narrative the with a built-in anti-soviet narrative. in the vietnam war they felt america was kind of preoccupied for obvious reasons with ending the vietnam war. in a series of meetings with kissinger at his weekend house in connecticut, bannon has cultivated him and gotten him in with china. kissinger else's career in and outside of government around china. he has been there 80 times. what is interesting is kissinger tends to fall on the opposite side of the platform when it comes to china. he is a globalist. he has not historically been on board with anti-globalism, anti-trade rhetoric that bannon is keen to push. it is interesting to see how -- we are not sure where kissinger falls in this conversation. it seems clear he helped facilitate some of these meetings that bannon took in hong kong. julia: t

henry kissinger. when we continue. >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: we begin with this, the trump administration said it will end daca, the obama era program that grants temporary status to undocumented immigrants brought to the u.s. as children. attorney general jeff sessions announced a decision in a press conference this afternoon. >> i'm here today to announce that the program known as daca that was effectuated under the obama administration is being rescinded. the daca program was implemented in 2012 and essentially provide add legal status for recipients for a renewable two-year term work authorization and other benefits including participation in the social security program to 800,000 mostly adult illegal aliens. the policy was implemented unilaterally to great controversy and legal concern, after congress rejected legislative propos

kissinger thinks we ought to be more prudent and long-term.had allged china, but we had the geniuses that told us history was over. so we have been on a 25-year hiatus with china. maybe we could follow dr. kissinger's recommendation, but it is our slate -- hours late. in the next five or 10 years, we have to engage china very differently. with all the provocations in the south china sea, they call it territorial sea now. all those provocations can be avoided. charlie: it can be avoided but if not, there may well be -war? >> i think the united states and china have to make so many errors in their relationships with each other to actually come to armed conflict. by the way, all you have to do -- and the american people know this. iny are far more advanced the heartland of this country on the situation of china than the elites. they understand we have to engage. we cannot look away or kick the can down the road anymore. charlie: in all the theresations about you, is this "saturday night live" image. do you watch it? but iever watch it live, have

kissinger's recommendation, but the hour is late.0 years, we have to engage china very differently. charlie: you worry about a shooting war? steve: with all the provocations in the south china sea, they call it territorial sea now. all those provocations can be avoided. charlie: it can be avoided but if not, then -- if not, there may very well be a shooting war? steve: i think the united states and china have to make so many errors in their relationships with each other to actually come to armed conflict. by the way, all you have to do -- and the american people know this. they are far more advanced in the heartland of this country on the situation with china than the elites. they understand we have to engage. we can't look away or kick the can down the road anymore. charlie: in all the conversations about you, there is this "saturday night live" image. do you watch it? steve: i never watch it live, but afterwards, when i been told i am on it or some caricature is on it. charlie: it basically shows you as the grim reaper. and you sai

kissinger disagrees with my assessment. i think he disagrees with my potential or at least solutions or more aggressive not confrontational but dr. kissinger thinks it's more prudent. >> rose: by the way if we head from 1992 until today, actually engage china as we engaged at this time. >> we had the end of history. all the geniuses told us history was over, end of history. we've been on a 25 year hiatus with china. maybe you could follow dr. kissinger's recommendation but the hour's late. five years, ten years at the most. we have to engage china very differently. >> rose: you were owe about a shooting war. >> if you engage china and all the prof indications in the south china seas now, they call it territorial seas all the prof indications can be avoided. my whole point is if -- >> rose: can be avoided but if not it may very well be. >> shooting war, look, i think the united states and china have to make so many errors in the relationship to -- by the way, all you have to do, and the american people know this. they're far

i was struck as i did the research that people likee henry kissinger and elliot richardson would write in their diary or talk on the phone with each other and as watergate was collapsing around him, they would say this is really a shakespearean scene of someone who has so many gifts and yet this tragic flaw which ended up bringing t him down in quite a shakespearean manner. he was iago to his own a fellow. he was whispering in his own ear, you're not good enough, they hate you, there against me, and in the end it destroyed him and he had that one final moment of recognition, some of you may remember on the last day he was in the white house, when he addressed his staff and family in the east room, and he said, remember others may hate you, but if you hate them then you destroy yourself. it was this wonderful moment of self recognition when he sees that the tragic flaw has brought him down in just the way he feared the most, and in the end, that's what he got him. >> i'm struck by your comparison to iago to his own fellow. i don't believe that mine is in the book. i believe you have set

he makes this amazing breakthrough, and he comes back and is talking to henry kissinger on one of the infamous white house tapes, and iago starts to whisper and he says you know, henry, the american people are a bunch of sheep. they watched me on television with all that handshaking and stuff in china, and you and i know it really doesn't mean a thing. y this is richard nixon not really being cynical about the american people but bad mouthing subkeys yet such a sense of inferiority. that's where, i should've used it in the book. it is a good line. >> you mentioned that for affairs piece of 1965 which he seemed to have an enormous amount of sophistication about asia are in the book you point out he had toured asia's vice president, part of his dutiest for dwight eisenhower and that he learned a great deal and present a lot of people. he seemed to have really takenry it on as a study too much of thh rest of his life. one of the things about the book they got attention as soon as it came out whe what you broke a bf news that had to do with the asian land where the avenue we shouldn't try

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, and it was fought publicly -- >> rose: i asked the foreign minister of iran that very question kissinger once posed do they want to be nation or a movement and he said we want to be both. >> well, you can't be both. both can't co-exist at the same time. this debate played out publicly on the debate stage between rouhani and his very conservative candidate for president. the iranian people voted and spoke overwhelmingly they wanted to go in a certain direction. so the question is, in trying to manage the nuclear issue, because the president will have to make a decision on it very, very soon, in managing this regional misbehavior, how do you do that in a way that isn't strengthen the hardliners and weaken the centrists. nick will tell us how to do that. >> rose: before you do that, i want to make sure everybody at home when you talk about supporting terrorism, the charges against iran, they're supporting -- they're heavily involved against the saudis with both having client organization in yemen, that's one -- >> so -- >> rose: go ahead. so iran -- >> rose: is doing what? iran itself condu

kissinger compliments him on the speech. they understand the showmanship and the need to sell their story. they are good at it and he is about to get reelected in a landslide because of his way of modulating their message. i think we both understood in a deeper way, the political gift of richard nixon. host: mark in the bronx, new york. go ahead. , you areood morning terrific and i look forward to seeing this. i served in the navy. reich by the dmz. -- right by the dmz on the uss boston. we were shelling in support of everyone who was south of the dmz. how much -- i always joke around, i was in the navy, i did not serve in the military. [laughter] we had hot food, air conditioning, tile floors. -- we did not see outside of the shelling, we weren't really fired upon, except occasionally. how much effort or how much fell you gave to the navy? guest: thank you. i realized when i was listing the branches, i did not say maybe and hope i would hear from a navy man to apologize and say it is included and we do a lot of that, the sh

involved in coming to real agreement which is which as you say you remember the seventy's henry kissinger arguably did the great thing when he opened china up to the united states in this play he doesn't come off very well of course they need legal the millions killed in the end of china as well as well. in this play we try to portray people as they are talking about them so we don't have in the long little guys the would you use about yeah we don't have we have it appealing to bankers and kissinger we just that's the characters have opinions and they get to enjoy them of course in any bush just like this you're going to get judges of bias both sides of what you've would so far but i mean did they could to me when i watched it the right of return of palestinian refugees almost thrown away in a line in the play well it's because it was a key element in the negotiations so it's not thrown away but it's required to be a concession right before the larger agreement could take place so it's so hard with something as vast as this with that in i play it's just mentioned very briefly and as it is

you go back to kissinger but you also go back to, a good example, different times america's managed to put pressure on countries like russia, managed to put pressure on other areas of the world and done it not through the use of force. and what is happening i think under tillerson which people really seriously question is whether that ability which was always, you know, was good, and to some extent camouflaged by all that hard power, whether that is still there. there is one group of people who say look look he is playing a very clever, long game and ultimately this will all come through. but with every kind of weak and months it gets harder for his defenders to come, they need to come up with something that he's done. >> rose: finally the u.n. itself. this president criticized the u.n. we have a new secretary general. you can make the case of the relevance of these united nations. >> you sure can. the u.n. is not as efficient as we want it to be. it is a bloated bureaucracy. it can't resolve some of the big problems on its own like the syrian civil war and north korea. but it's the on

he makes this amazing breakthrough and he comes back and he's is talking to henry kissinger on one of the infamous white house tapes and diablo starts to whisper and he says you know henry the american people are a bunch of. they watch me on television with all that hand shaking and stuff in china and you and i know it really doesn't mean a thing. this is richard nixon not really being cynical about the american people that badmouthing himself because he has such a sense of inferiority. i should have used in the book. >> you mentioned on the foreigner. foreign affairs page in 1965 when he seemed to have an enormous amount of sophistication about asia and you point out in the pokey toward asia as vice president and he learned a great deal in the press. he seemed to have really taken that on both too through much of the rest of his life. one of the things about the book that got attention since it came out was you broke bit of news that had to do with the asian land war that everyone knew we shouldn't try to fight richard nixon's round of fighting when he became president in vietnam of

there are interesting conversations between kissinger and the chinese, where chinese would make these strong pro-afro-asian anti-imperialist statements in the united nations. and kissinger would say yeah, we realize you have to do that, because you need to maintain credibility in the third world. want toinger and nixon china to maintain their credibility in the third world at this point because they think it could be useful against the soviet union. so it is a really complicated dynamic. so i think the third world and afro asian countries, they are central to chinese foreign-policy. they do not pull back. it is a changing and moderating of its tone. i would argue it that way. >> in the front here. >> thank you. it is very interesting. >> can you introduce yourself? >> i am john. i do it islamic history at georgetown. i spent a bunch of time in sudan in the early 60's. and the sudan was one of the countries that had recognized the people's republic. that was in 1959. it had a very small embassy. and i ended up getting to know the young man that seem to be the political affairs person,

i would like to see a kissinger type there. someone that can go through precisely what we need from the chinese. it is a fallacy to say that the chinese president has as much power as our president, he doesn't. it's not easy for him. i think we need to do a better job of engaging them and noting what we need from them, and not just sanctions at the u.n., we need a willingness to see how we can retard the program, this is deadly serious. >> a willingness and stier to work with us, who should they send? >> i think maybe they should send dr. kissinger, i think he still has a fast ball. and the idea to outsource it to them in return for trade consideration is not a serious approach to a serious country. i think secretary tillerson really needs to go through what they want to see from them and ask them what they could see from them. i think we could have a meeting of minds, i think all chinese are opposed to a nuclear option. they worry about troops more than north korea, and to those people, we need to make a better argument. >> ha

nixon had kissinger go tell the soviets nixon is under a lot of pressure, he had a drink after dinner -- be careful, walk on eggshells around this guy and they sort of did, you avoid getting into a crisis. the problem is, if you do get into a crisis, you don't want to die thinking you have taken the slack out of the trigger otherwise and do something that might be irrational because they may do it to you first to rate a that's where my concern is. the rhetoric has to be modulated and certainly some of the statements are not ones that i necessarily would have advised. mr. tapper: i want to ask you about -- [applause] gen. petraeus: great potential as a diplomat. mr. tapper: it was lovely how he said that, wasn't it? we have our own ways of saying it, i suppose. i want to ask you about the president's latest iteration of the travel ban, which is quite different from how it was an unseated on the campaign trail and how it was introduced such illustrated on the campaign trail and how it was introduced such as it was a few months ago. gen. petraeus: the distinguishing feature of these coun

secretary of the treasury at the time when simon is chief deputy joe parsky kissinger step in the helm and some of the others and again sonnenfeld is a guy i met with in the white house where what would we do about this one of the plans when i was discussing with kissinger's deputy was invading saudi arabia sousing security perimeter taking over the oil fields and basically not stealing the money but just selling at a price we like for dollars and then holding. money in trust for the for the saudis you can get your money going on social security for the whole country. i think the smart that that was not the plan that the us pursued the plan they did pursue is a petrodollar geo where we said to the arabs say look you guys sell us it will for dollars and we'll take the dollars and put it in the bank and in effect guarantee a stable dollar and then we'll take the dollars and lend it to people who can buy more oil from you so i went around the circle that was the original petro dollar deal with some ups and downs with a spike in gold one nine hundred eighty and some inflation in the united

it is one of those long-term relationship management things which kissinger would devote a huge amountf time and effort to. but one problem is, the indians themselves, have often taken a short-term approach, which the chinese did charlie: is modi -- do not. different? john: he is from what india has had before. he has a good side with economic reform, but the bad side is he is very nationalistic. the problem around that region in asia is, it is a cockpit of these nationalistic emotions. it is not something where you can play things out easily. it's all about what is taught in textbooks in the school, not just about where the lines on the maps are, but what the japanese and chinese did at different times in history. it is a nasty history, which people keep pushing forwards and backwards to each other. if you change that, it makes a big difference. charlie: beyond the obvious tension from north korea's dramatic attempt to exercise and show off its military might and how far it is in developing nuclear weapons that can sit on top of icbm's, what are the tension places under consideration

kissinger -- he was starting to unravel nixon of 1973 through the nixon tapes in 1973, kissinger was like [indiscernible] they would all just go "yes sir, right away." [laughter] and nobody would follow the order of the president. if you are having worries about trump having his finger on the nuclear button, so to speak, and the north korea crisis, andy, the chief of staff that george w. bush told at the time of 9/11, he went down in florida, and andy got to come on stage. bush was reading "my pet goat." and andy had to whisper in his ear. as soon as they got backstage, a cluster of government officials were there and bush said "we are going right now to d.c." they said we are not letting you go to washington. bush threw a tantrum. he said "i am the president. let's go." "we are not allowing you." the government is not allowing you. you cannot going to washington. you're going to go to louisiana and then -- >> the deep state. [laughter] >> there are mechanisms. the idea that trump is going to cash people thought he is going to tell kelly in an irrational moment "tell them we're going

but it was a kissinger back there. wasn't sure i really know and and they don't care they don't care and you know why they don't care because the poor suffer the most and the soonest from climate change they they can afford to replace their homes or their lives or buy new cars with when their it doesn't cover it and by the way of course the surest isn't going to cover it they've never covered i don't know you did and on the initial application you you didn't put your car smelled like cat urine and that's ok that's a preexisting condition i'm sorry so yeah we're not we don't cover that in the case of blood and by we will give you this for a stress reliever right here you know just squeeze down every time you think about how you lost your cat pets car that's right easy he's crazy. poorest suffer the most amid recent global flooding more than fourteen hundred people in south asia are dead and tens of millions more have been affected by monsoon rains the worst flooding in a hundred years has left one third of bangladesh su

but even with western leaders, kissinger, 0bama who had got in before doing anything. be given on a basis, if you do not deliver, we should take it back? the west should not be the one to say, and that is the problem. the west supports you, and gives some sort of democracies to your country. no. she should be working for her people. i fought for democracy, i continue to do that, and human rights after. it isn't about the west. i don't believe in the west right now. because one day they are supporting a dictator, another day they are supporting a human rights person. pick and choose, it is wrong. let's move onto another subject which has possibly dropped out of the headlines but is still an important ongoing story and sabah in a sense. it's been going on in terms of the fight back towards the that calls itself islamic state for more than a year, and it has been losing more and more of what constitutes that statement. it is a process you have been watching for many months now. how do we know it is working, and at what price is this war being waged? we don't know yet. the