she appeals to kitch table democrats, and maybe, low income, suburb i think they want a republican senatorwho has ever been offered it has taken this thing. it is a more powerful position. >> go ahead. >> she is then the first one. many advantages to a woman along with hillary clinton, doubling that excitement, and exciting performer as a candidate. it is the trump style of attack. if a man is the democratic vice presidential nominee. trump is going to marco that guy, there will be a little marco label on that guy. he is not able to -- >> he has done that with warren, talking about her american indian thing. >> the vice presidential choice can do anything, give excitement. two women, this woman, the progressive branch finds exciting that is a win-win. >> if you look at this decision, the least important factor has been, how much do i like this person? that has always been the last -- it is on the list, the bottom thing on the list. >> i did talk to a female senator who said, we have a long history of this country of single gender tickets. >> quick break. when we come back, new york times c