it's not your fault that you've lost money collectively since orville and wilber wright flew at kittyhawk. they're losing money left and right. our government is just as inept and-- >> they don't all lose money, contractors are scared, not flying as much. does it have much impact? >> the point about the airlines being a terrible industry, but partially to blame on the government and partially the payroll tax. there were real cuts in government and people are firing people and if you work in government and one of the 20 in your group got fired because of the sequester cut then you start getting worried and he's not going to fly on a trip to l.a. anytime soon and you don't want to go to disney world you think you might be next and it leads to less air travel at the margins, it could definitely hurt the airline industry a little bit. >> brenda: gary b, last night my daughter tried to blame her report card on the sequester. just about everything now. can airlines blame the sequester for the fact this they're losing money or having a tough time? >> brenda, i think i'm with john on this, i thin