for example, doing things like the kiva loan. helping another nonprofit called endeavor which does entrepreneurship, setting up a catalyst fund. liquidity is useful. having some liquidity means you can do actions in the world. that matters. >> are you trying to ask if it is funny money to you? is this a game of the sims? you love the work so the result doesn't matter except as a way to keep score? >> i don't keep score. it's what i can achieve in the world. it's not funny money because you're doing things. but it's the outcome of what you're achieving. for example, one thing i appreciate by having them successful is i can be on the board, say i have an idea for a program. if we do this we can get more people to understand the gem of what kiva is and i can help you with that. that matters. it's not a way of keeping score as much as a way of how do you have the world be a better place because you're in it. >> scott mentioned you invested in a wide range b of companies. i saw you say once social media, also like the seven deadly sin