mike tell us whether he believes that kkr, whether pricewaterhouse, whether those are the kinds of smll businesses that need help. that's the folks they're trying to help out. >> i want to ask a different question about taxes. >> want to respond to that. he makes a good poi. if the current tax relief was enough to get this economy moving again, the economy would be moving. and it's not. what -- what chris and the democts in congressnd the administration continue to insist on is a tax increase in january of 2011. i want to stipulate to the point. that's why republicans in the "pledge to america" called for the 20% business deduction on all buiness income immediately be voted on in this congress. we think there needs to be more pro growth tax relief. don't raise taxes on j creators. >> let me ask you a question about tax cuts or tax hiks. you say in the pledge to america, you want to bring spending down to 2008 levels which you well know is not enough to tackle the deficit, even if you bring it down to 2008. so the question for you and congressman van hollen, how can you rule out tax hike

so-called small businesses that they say they're going to be helping are the big washington law firms, the kkrsworld, big leveraged buyout firms. those are the people the republicans are trying to fool into believing they're small businesses. these other ads again that were played in the past show how disconnected some of these republican candidates are when they say let's reduce taxes on the folks at the very top and we're going to compensate for that by raising taxes on everything else you buy. a national sales tax which we all know is a very regressive form of taxation. so in many of these races, it's not clear where the other guy is on some of -- on a particular issue but we know where they stand on this one because they signed a particular pledge or form. and again, we're now talking about a couple ads out of a whole universe of ads, many of which are on the social security issue, medicare issue, the question of making sure we don't ship american jobs overseas, what we've done for veterans compared to some of the votes republicans have taken that do not support our veterans in terms of hea