accordingg to ron klain, his perspective was simple if not condescending. this is my house, thesehi are my things. i'm interested in your views, joe, i want you to be happy here, but you are a guest in my house. >> guest: i love that you're a. best in myt house, because that really sums up the vice presidency so well. they are completely at the service of the president. and i think you see that now, of course, with mike pence and donald trump. but you did even see it with joe biden and barack obama. and when i was a white house reporter at bloomberg news, i never got the sense that there was any tension there. so that's what i thought was so fascinating doing this reporting, and i interviewed vice president biden about it. it wasn't love at first sight for joe biden and barack obama. si did take time for them to build trust. but, of course, by the end of those eight years, they did something that no other modern prime president and vice president have done, they actually grew closer over those a eight years together, and that's unprecedented. >> host: who h