the same themes seemed to be coming out. >> brian draper even mentions klebold and harris on the tapesort of documenting eerily similar to harris and klebold's tapes, that they want to be famous for their evil deed. >> we are going to go down in history. we're going to be just like "scream" except real life. we're going to be murderers like ted bundy, like the hillside strangler, the zodiac killer. >> no, those people are more amateurs compared to what we're going to be. >> he's craving infamy, all four boys seem to want the excitement and exhilaration that is an extreme high for them. >> we are sick psychopaths that get pleasure of killing other people. >> that sounds good, baby. >> like with harris and klebold, they clearly recognize what they are doing is wrong, but they simply don't care about the sanctity of another human being's life. what they want to experience takes precedent. >> there should be no laws against killing people. i know it's a wrong thing but hell. hell. you restrict somebody from it, they're going to want it more. >> exactly. >> we see the lack of empathy, lack

sthat a different conclusion than dylan klebold's participants reached. >> i spoke to sue klebold. she said, i wished i never had gone to ohio state, i never met my husband, i never had this child, this horrible thing wouldn't have happened. over time, i came to feel i love the children i had so much, i don't want to imagine a life without them. even at the price of this pain. when i say that i, i'm talking about my own pain. not the pain of other people. while i accept it would have been better for the world had dylan never been born, i decided it would not have been better for me. >> she had to think about it so much. rich, such a tricky area. the issue of mental illness and violence. we know people with mental illness are more prone to violence. but the overwhelming number of crimes are committed by people who are not mentally ill. >> if you look at overall gun violence, mental illness accounts for -- well, mass killings are less than 1%. mental illness is about 4%. i view this as a public health problem. that's my background. if you do studies, you can understand the risk facto

you know, we've seen people who have showed up, klebold and harris and others who started shooting spreeshey had explosives in their. i'm a little concerned that there are people just standing around on the street. i don't see dog teams working, you know, to make sure that will is no explosives in any of the parked cars, any of the bushes or anything around there. and there are civilians just walking through there. there is a technique called a beta trap ambush. it was used against law enforcement in atlanta by eric robert rudolph at the clinics on the north side of town where there was an initial threat. people responded to it and then they were targeted by a bomb as a secondary threat. it doesn't have to be a shooter, erin. secondary threats can be explosives. so security at the scene is a big concern i have at this early point. >> all right. very interesting point that jeff makes as we said, former fbi special agent. i can tell you just looking at it with the seattle times, local newspapers reporting, they are doing the strip searches of some of the students right now. but that's the l