. >> would kleiner perkins be what it is if you didn't have an educational system and a culture like that? >> silicon valley wouldn't be what it is without having stanford in its back yard. and the relationships that are forged and the realization by stanford that their teachers are not just educators but they themselves are entrepreneurs and to embrace that, to encourage them to spend the time with the venture capitalists in other, and their ph.d students and to spin companies out. it's what's made this valley come alive. >> and it's something that at least on its surface would seem to be possible for other universities to do this. in other words, it is -- there is no reason the entire uc system couldn't do this, the entire sunni system back east. the state colleges and other prestigious universities. am i naive? >> no, i don't think you are. i think it as matter of culture and approach and the kinds of approach to innovation and support for commercialization that has become part of the lifeblood of stanford university i think is in fact rem basketball at other places. >> let's talk