secretary kliebert? >> yes. certainly my staff that's involved in implementation and in our medicaid program as well helped. >> representative hudson. >> yes. florida house health policy staff. >> all right. to your knowledge, did any of them do this in conjunction with alec, the the american legislative exchange council? they're very similar. many of them drafted in a way that would suggest that there were, there was collaboration. >> no. >> no? >> not to my knowledge, no. >> no. >> no. >> all right, thank you. let me then move forward with the 1:33 that i have left and ask a couple of questions. bobby jindal, who is the governor of louisiana, recently said -- let me see if i can get to it -- he said we don't think it makes any sense to implement obamacare in louisiana. we're going to do what we can to fight it. ms. jackson, in your opinion, is it a significant challenge to the aca implementation when the chief executive of a state state is so strong-willed in their commitment and interests in not implementing

kliebert?ry >> yes. >> mr. hudson, are you aware of a pole that was released last week that 60% of americans believe obamacare will harm their health care? 56% of democrats believe obamacare will harm their health care. are you familiar with that poll? >> yes, i have seen the headlines. >> i have another question. to twist things around a little bit. you said you were a realtor. if i understand, a realtor's ,ob, you bring the customer in they are thinking about buying a home, you talk to them. , showok at the listings them the listings, maybe a photograph. yes, i have sold many homes. >> how about somebody that never walked into the home you sold? did they get to look at all the rooms? did you go in the basement? >> basements are a challenge for us. >> i understand. in michigan, we have basements. before a person buys a home, they get to walk in and go into each room, maybe test of the appliances, correct? >> yes. >> ok. >> if i can add, i wouldn't sell a person a home if they didn't know what they were bargain

kathy kliebert. and attorney general for the state of south carolina, alan wilson.esterday, the democrats on the committee threatened not to participate unless we provided eight witnesses. normally, the minority party only elects one witness. even in the majority, you only had four. we do not want members of this committee -- willing to do oversight work to walk out and fail to hear the serious struggles states are experiencing because of obamacare. we made the unprecedented accommodation to let them provide the same number of witnesses as the majority. we should listen to their concerns. we should find solutions. one area we will explore today is the sister programs. attorney general wilson from south carolina sent a letter to a secretary on august 14 asking questions about the outreach program. the in ministration has not yet responded. i spoke yesterday with health care leaders in my own state. they said they cannot get answers from hhs. we still have no idea what is happening and we are only days away from october 1. i would like to introduce a preliminary staff