so we will now hear from mary klipp. miss klipp, are you ready? >> i'm ready. can you hear me? >> clerk: yes, we can. >> in full disclosure, i am the proud mother of josh klipp, one of the most conscientious, compassionate, hard working people that i have ever known. i truly believe that josh -- that john lewis would be proud of josh's thinking good trouble. i came to live in san francisco 17 years ago, and i was proud of its reputation as a technological hub and a must-see city with great normal beauty. it is a city which benefited from the hard work and the forceful thoughts of those who came many years before us. 17 years later, with climate change pounding on our doors, the city's decisions to cut down beautiful and measurably tech tech technologically useful trees -- i couldn't believe that you could measure what every tree does in terms of its work, it belies that reputation of both applied technology and respect for environmental beauty. in short, please do not see trees as an enemy or as a nasty obstruction to development. count them, plant them, plant five, ten times m

so we will now hear from mary klipp. miss klipp, are you ready? >> i'm ready. can you hear me? >> clerk: yes, we can. >> in full disclosure, i am the proud mother of josh klipp, one of the most conscientious, compassionate, hard working people that i have ever known. i truly believe that josh -- that john lewis would be proud of josh's thinking good trouble. i came to live in san francisco 17 years ago, and i was proud of its reputation as a technological hub and a must-see city with great normal beauty. it is a city which benefited from the hard work and the forceful thoughts of those who came many years before us. 17 years later, with climate change pounding on our doors, the city's decisions to cut down beautiful and measurably tech tech technologically useful trees -- i couldn't believe that you could measure what every tree does in terms of its work, it belies that reputation of both applied technology and respect for environmental beauty. in short, please do not see trees as an enemy or as a nasty obstruction to development. count them, plant them, plant five, ten times m

. >> we will now hear from josh klipp. >> can you hear me. >> does commissioner swig have a question? you are on mute. let me unmute you. >> i think i'd like to interrupt the process, please. that was a very important point. i need to ask a question to mr. buck about pruning. yes, we have heard redundantly that it's a low cost bid process. mr. buck. >> and i never built a bridge before would i get award the bid, probably not. it's the same level of due diligence on contractors doing or pruning throughou throughout. >> this is chris buck. we absolutely have those requirements, they have a contract license and they possess a certified or borrist credential so we have not have anyone bid on contracts. they can bid on them but if we were not satisfied with their qualifications they would be disqualified. is we have customers that have been maintaining their own trees for decades and we have to have contractors who can prune their tree and stand up and defend the work. from pacific heights to where i am. we aud i had and wit audit. ficus trees that are going to remain but problematic, thos

klipp. mr. klipp? >> yeah, i also heard about the hayes valley cementing, and it was really disheartening because part of what we did in the 24 street matter, and we had this budget shortfall coming up, and we tried to find ways that we can work with the city. but i also do want to acknowledge that madeleine of the bureau of urban forestry was quick to respond to that, and i appreciate that. thank you. >> clerk: thank you. is there any other general public comment, please raise your hand. i don't see anyone else raising their hand. okay. i do see one person raising their hand. one moment. okay. mr. karnazes? >> hi. can you call hear me? >> clerk: yes, welcome. >> thank you. my name is zach karnazes, and i'm a disabled advocate, and i want to thank everyone speaking up about another incident with d.p.w., about their misuse of public funds and violating public trust in their care of the urban forest and natural habitat. this happens frequently. they've been cutting down trees since their appeals process.

klipp. mr. klipp? >> yeah, i also heard about the hayes valley cementing, and it was really disheartening because part of what we did in the 24 street matter, and we had this budget shortfall coming up, and we tried to find ways that we can work with the city. but i also do want to acknowledge that madeleine of the bureau of urban forestry was quick to respond to that, and i appreciate that. thank you. >> clerk: thank you. is there any other general public comment, please raise your hand. i don't see anyone else raising their hand. okay. i do see one person raising their hand. one moment. okay. mr. karnazes? >> hi. can you call hear me? >> clerk: yes, welcome. >> thank you. my name is zach karnazes, and i'm a disabled advocate, and i want to thank everyone speaking up about another incident with d.p.w., about their misuse of public funds and violating public trust in their care of the urban forest and natural habitat. this happens frequently. they've been cutting down trees since their appeals process.

klipp. mr. klipp? >> yeah, i also heard about the hayes valley cementing, and it was really disheartening because part of what we did in the 24 street matter, and we had this budget shortfall coming up, and we tried to find ways that we can work with the city. but i also do want to acknowledge that madeleine of the bureau of urban forestry was quick to respond to that, and i appreciate that. thank you. >> clerk: thank you. is there any other general public comment, please raise your hand. i don't see anyone else raising their hand. okay. i do see one person raising their hand. one moment. okay. mr. karnazes? >> hi. can you call hear me? >> clerk: yes, welcome. >> thank you. my name is zach karnazes, and i'm a disabled advocate, and i want to thank everyone speaking up about another incident with d.p.w., about their misuse of public funds and violating public trust in their care of the urban forest and natural habitat. this happens frequently. they've been cutting down trees since their appeals process.

klipp. >> thanks, julie. i am going to share my screen. >> welcome. just a moment. it's not -- >> take your time. >> hold on just a moment. can you see my screen? >> it is black. we see your screen, but nothing on it. that is what i want. here we go. >> good evening, commissioners. >> we are starting. >> i came a-- >> can you hear me? >> we are starting. >> and can you hear me? >> -- offering advice on how to prepare in this appeal. in the email the supervisor advised a young tree inspector on the importance of a solid presentation because, quote, by the time i get through the details of each tree and wrap up the staff presentation, if someone comes up raving like a lunatic it makes them seem all the more absurd. he went on to say, when questions come up we the hearing officer, i won't be tempted to take the bait. i'll answer the question and ignore sound and fury which usually signifies nothing. if anyone has wondered why it seemed so hard to be taken seriously in your work to save san francisco trees, look no further than the bureau of urban forest management who

klipp, general public comment. >> i'm going to go without the video. i'm actually sitting in a camper van. >> clerk: okay. you can make it entertaining for us. >> i just want to reflect casey's comment with the penalty here. essentially, this is the equivalent of an in lieu fee, which is what you assess when a tree cannot be believed. the code goes into detail about what happens when a tree is illegally removed, and it's not an in lieu fee. there are administrative penalties, even criminal penalties for that. i think you need to layout what was the fine for doing work without a permit. i'm not sure why we're talking about, you know, $2,000 in lieu fees for a contractor that illegally removed two trees. i understand that there was a discussion at the last hearing regarding ultimately who ends up paying for the work, and it absolutely should be the contractor who performs the work without the permit. thank you. >> clerk: thank you. is there any other comment public on this item? if so, press star-nine if you called in. star-nine if you want to provide pu

. >> we will now hear from josh klipp. >> can you hear me. >> does commissioner swig have a question? you are on mute. let me unmute you. >> i think i'd like to interrupt the process, please. that was a very important point. i need to ask a question to mr. buck about pruning. yes, we have heard redundantly that it's a low cost bid process. mr. buck. >> and i never built a bridge before would i get award the bid, probably not. it's the same level of due diligence on contractors doing or pruning throughou throughout. >> this is chris buck. we absolutely have those requirements, they have a contract license and they possess a certified or borrist credential so we have not have anyone bid on contracts. they can bid on them but if we were not satisfied with their qualifications they would be disqualified. is we have customers that have been maintaining their own trees for decades and we have to have contractors who can prune their tree and stand up and defend the work. from pacific heights to where i am. we aud i had and wit audit. ficus trees that are going to remain but problematic, thos