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senator klobuchar? >> senator blumenthal is going to take my turn and then i'll go. >> thank you very much, senator klobuchar, thank you mr. chairman. thanks for having this hearing and thanks to all of our witnesses. i am going to try to make it to another hearing and then come back. but i just, as a one-time antitrust enforcer, as a state attorney general, i have very strong feelings that what we lack in this country is will. that is, the determination to enforce laws. we may talk about improving those laws. we do so here, but laws unenforced are essentially dead letter, no matter how good they are. earlier today i sent a letter to the department of justice and federal trade commission urging that they open an investigation into amazon's use of price parody provisions. they're also known as most favorite nation clauses. and they are done with third-party merchants. around this time of the year, when literally millions of americans are going to be using amazon to shop for the holiday, little do they re

it seems to me if i was the trump people i would be most terrified of a klobuchar-brown or brown-klobucharicket. >> something you wrote you said her state has a significant farming population. she has had practice speaking to populations and interests that democrats need and speaking against trade wars. i'm fascinated because we send our correspondents out to these places and farmers are hurting. they live on razor thin margins, but they're sticking by donald trump because they feel like the democrats have not articulated their message and that is part of your argument that amy klobuchar can. >> the farmers in minnesota used to spend one in throw rows of beans to china. they have been put in an involuntary trade war. they're unlike other people that they have a bottom line, they know what the cost of things are. and the president's persona, he is breaking the crockery and ultimately practical and they are surely going to be a swing vote in 2020. >> george, good to talk to you as always. thank you for joining me. george will, political commentator and syndicated columnist. >>> the budget of

please welcome, senator amy klobuchar! >> thank you. great to be on. >> stephen: now, the obvious question is: you're up for reelection tomorrow, why are you here? ( laughter ) are you not superstitious? what's going on? >> well, first, i heard a rumor you have a pretty big audience. if you want to remind everyone in the country to vote. i thought that might be a good idea. ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: vote. that's official. she's a senator, if you don't vote, i think you've broken the law. the last time you were here, you were here with claire mccaskill. >> i was. >> stephen: now, she's up for reelection as well. >> but she is doing a great job and i think she's going to pull it in tomorrow. >> stephen: so you think you will be working with her in the future? ( cheers ) >> yeah, yeah. i mean, i am not-- i never predict things because i don't take one thing for granted. i once ran for d.a. with no opponent and i still put up 3,000 lawn signs, did 29 parades, and 85 pancake breakfasts. >> stephen: and you were the on

as senator klobuchar says. a system, that in particular, doesn't operate to constrain enforcement and particularly politicized enforcement as much as we currently do here. i think it's an appropriate for our regime. >> thank you. that is helpful. senator klobuchar? >> senator blumenthal will take my turn and then i will go. >> thank you mr. chairman. thanks to all of the witnesses i will try to make it to another hearing and then come back. i was one time in antitrust enforcer. with the state attorney general. i have very strong feelings that what we lack in this country is will. laws are unenforced. earlier today i sent a letter to the department of justice and federal trade commission. urging that they opened an investigation into amazon use of price parity provisions. they are also known as most favorite nation clauses. they are done with third-party merchants. around this time of year when millions of americans will be using amazon to shop for the holiday, little do they realize that they are likely paying

fresh off her questioning of william barr today we're joined by amy klobuchar of minnesota.thanks, rachel. i wish you could have been on the panel. that would have been good. >> i'd offer good snark. were you satisfied with the answers he gave you? i was reading into your body language and tone and felt like you were under whelmed but i realize i shouldn't assume that. >> i was not satisfied. first of all, the major thing is when a number of us, i asked him , senator harris asked whether or not he would abide by the decision of career ethics attorneys in the department of justice when they make a decision about whether or not the attorney general should recuse himself or herself from a case, in this case, of course, this investigation because of his earlier 19-page memo he wrote. he said today he would not do that. that he might refer to them but he would not abide by that and make his own decision and it was so ironic because he actually commended attorney general sessions for agreeing to follow those ethics attorneys recommendations and recuse himself. so that was troublin

it also came up in amy klobuchar's questioning of barr there. and it was surprising, though, that it came up from a republican. and you look at both what graham said and what klobuchar said and you wonder what do they know? obviously they know that cohen was convicted for, in part, lying to congress about this deal. so that is something that could, i think, potentially come back and bite republicans. this is what we've always been looking for, right? is there some sort of breaking point for republicans in terms of this president? we've seen it a little bit, seen some starts with a handful, a very small handful of folks on the hill. but the idea if this is true that the president directed michael cohen, who was his personal attorney, long-time fixer, deeply involved in his business affairs as well as the campaign, if he instructed him to lie to congress, you wonder if you are congress, how is that something you tolerate? we have seen this congress cede power to donald trump, but the idea that this is the president who may have directed his one-ti

or>> woodruff: senatmy klobuchar, thank you. >> thank you, judy. >> woodruff: now, for a perspective from a f justice department official who used to work closely with the nominee. george terwilliger served as william barr's deputy attorney general, and w in the hearing om today for barr's testimony. george terwilliger, welcome back to the program. >> thank you, judy. it's good to be with you. >> woodruff: you heard some of senator klobuchar's concerns, in the end, immigration. but her concern whether bill barr could be an indpendent overseer of the mueller in dstigation? wh you hear? >> i heard the same things that aenator klobuchar and other senators heard t in the hearing room, judy, and i think they should be very much reassured about his independence. made it very clear that he would follow the law based on the facts owhatever the situation was in front of him. on this issue of recusal, i think it's a red herring, ascause nobody's pointed out any reals upon which bill should recuse himself. and all he said about that was, look, at thend of the day, it's the attorney general's de

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joining us now is democratic senator amy klobuchar from minnesota. thanks for being with us. >> thanks, john. >> larry kudlow looked at the numbers from the cbo including the $3 billion that will be permanently lost and he says there is no long-term damage to the economy. do you see it that way? >> no. if you ask the average american what they would do with $3 billion, think of what it could do. they could pay for their mortgages, their prescription drugs. it could do something about our nation's crumbling infrastructure, fix potholes in the roads. it's outrageous to say. it could help reduce our debt. you don't just lose $3 billion and say it's nothing. as you pointed out the total is $11 billion. they think we can recover the $8 billion. >> the shutdown was over the president's desire for a border wall or barrier. he was told by pollsters he has support for the argument in key districts around the country including minnesota where you are a senator now. the president got close in minnesota. there are districts that democrats represent in minnesota

if you didn't get the bill bar amy klobuchar which exchanged, he said suborning perjury is illegal. but listen to senator klobuchar, democrat from minnesota pressed this point. >> in your memo you talked about the comey decision and you talk about obstruction of justice and you already went over that which i appreciate. you wrote on page one that a president persuading a person to commit perjury would be obstruction, is that right? >> that -- yes. >> okay. >> or any -- well, you know, any person who per suedes another -- >> any person, okay. >> you also said that a president or any person convincing a witness to change testimony would be obstruction, is that right? >> yes. >> okay. i don't know if amy klobuchar knew this story was coming, asha, but, barr's on the record. >> it's funny. it's almost like the question is so stupid he's like, yes. >> right. >> like he's trying to figure out what's going on. >> this is important because part of why there were objections to barr is that he has a very expansive view of the presidency and his memo which he wrote which is really kind of layi

amy klobuchar. i want to see all these candidates get to run and talk about their ideas. we're going to contrast them with donald trump. by the way, i have some good news. the good news with stacy a you and i have to talk after that, break it down to the american people. this is going to be the show. >> what makes stacy abrams the perfect choice in your opinion to rebut the state of the union? because there have been a lot of folk whose have suggested that there are some other democrats out there who deserve to rebut? >> there's no question, there's a long list of democrats. we've got a talented bench of people. you see that every day. stacy abrams represent what our party believes in terms of giving people quality healthcare. every child should be born with a healthy start. she represents education for all people. she represents jobs creation. sta stacy represents many of the values. while she felt short in georgia, her message united democrats and independents. you will hear a prebuttal and a reb rebutt rebuttal. >> i do want to bring in rick tyler. thank you, thank you

host: on the release of the robert mueller report, here is his exchange with senator amy klobuchar about releasing the conclusions of the probe. [video clip] >> will you make all of the report conclusions, even if some of those not be made public? >> that certainly is my goal and intent. it is hard for me to conceive of run alusion that would written.urrently that is certainly my intent. host: william barr saying my twice.is to do that does that cause concern that it was not a full commitment? guest: this is the issue. this is of incredible importance to the public and resolving you port and said he had in those regulations and regulations according to say the report from mueller is a you are in report to prosecutors. it's not public. they make a decision whether to prosecute or not. the question here for democrats the prefer that you will you and you will you and you and what happened there youare in a legal that are you he is a number of the way you want independent who that boy think that you are going out a one you will you pick of the reasons i decided i would accept this position i

barr's testimony, senator amy klobuchar noted someone else stealing the show. >> i take it as a positive that your grandson has gotten out of a pen and a pad of paper to take notes during my questions. >> shannon: a "the ingraham angle" investigation realized that say, "dear, my grandpa, you are doing so great, having so much fun. then, i think russia's people are fine. it's a government that's the problem." [laughs] oh, okay, a little henry kissinger there. now shannon bream and the "fox news @ night" team. taking over. [laughs] shannon, that is almost too good to be true. >> shannon: . you find the stuff, laura? >> laura: my kids are still working on the fingerpainting. i'm working on penmanship. >> shannon: keep us updated. thanks, laura. we begin with a fox news alert. we are going live to honduras where a new caravan is picking up steam, moving quickly and more than doubling in size overnight. the president says only a wall will work for the democrats refused to show up to a meeting with him today, so the shutdown continues. plus, the democratic national committee distancing itself

then a second tier of the sort of mid level single digit harris, booker, klobuchar.the other dozen. obviously the big shock was beto o'rourke. >> i think that was the most informative of that poll. biden and sanders at the top is not that interesting at this stage. they're going to be at the top of all national polls. it's interesting to look at their favorability within the party specifically. the democrats still have the warm fuzzies for joe biden. and maybe to slightly lesser degree to bernie sanders. they're still likable. the same poll showed hillary clinton did not have any kind of bounceback. the democratic party is still angry and upset with her. iowa democrats not into michael bloomberg as well. you can look at the favorable ratings and those things. but i think o'roarke jumping into that first tier right away did show how much momentum he has early. the trouble is he has to translate it into the doing the work in iowa. >> cornell, obviously november, 2006, the buzz name was obama. >> yep. well. >> november of '0 6, it was like will he do it, but he was clea

just follow-up on that, senator klobuchar, don't count this against her time. you say you want access to people who have committed crimes or are accused of committing crimes outside a status violation? >> that's right, senator. >> senator klobuchar? >> thank you. thank you, mr. barr. i take it as a positive that your grandson has gotten out a pad and pen to take notes while i ask questions. i'm also impressed by your daughters, and that they all chose to go into public service, but as you know, employees in the justice department are either furloughed or they are working without pay. i have talked pto a number of them at home and it's an outrage. very briefly, what do you have to say to them? >> i would like to see a deal reached where congress recognizes that it's important to have border security and that parts of it need barriers. >> and you know in a bill that was passed there was literally billions of dollars for border security back in 2013? >> i'm generally aware of that. >> and also that we had an agreement earlier last year which would have allowed the

. >> hirono cane, king, klobuchar. >> mr. pence: will you please raise your right hand? do you sommly swear that you will support and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies foreign andti domestic, that you will bear true faith and allegiance to the same. that you take this obligation freely without knee mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that you will well faand faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which you are about to enter, so help you god? >> i do. >> congratulations senators. [applause] >> thank you. [applause] >> the clerk will tbhow read the names of the sith group. >> manchin mcsally menendez, murphy. >> mr. pence: please raise your ntright hand. do you solemnly swear that you will support and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that you will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that you take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that anyou will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which you

but you also haven't mentioned amy klobuchar who is making a decision any day now.could provide a midwestern whisperer to these voters. >> you mentioned sherrod brown who is flirting with it. he hasn't officially decided. you mentioned his tour, iowa, nevada, south carolina. there is something to that. this is him last night trying to make the case that the democratic party better start listening to, respecting people who work with their hands. >> a year ago i said to the people of youngstown, don't move, we're going to rip down your factories and build new ones. he would reward people in mexico who built cars there instead of in michigan. he said those jobs would be replaced in like two minutes. well, we're still waiting. >> his point, and he won't say it, he misled you about how it would work, and b, that hillary clinton didn't talk to you. >> there's been so much talk about the special counsel's investigation and what's going on with the president, but i think this is something that's going to be a major factor that's actually going to be something that voters wi

amy klobuchar has that kind of experience as well.t the fields of the candidates on the stage yesterday, potential candidates, what are your thoughts about who bears on the front? >> jon: that's a great question. i didn't watch the entire hearing. speech you didn't? >> jon: [laughs] i know! i work to do. i like about sites handled it, to be honest. i think they handled in a very fair way. the democrats did ask some tough questions. to our discussion earlier, i was glad that it didn't justice center on mueller. they asked the questions they need to ask about him, but as we are looking at club wishart right there, i like what they ask the questions and asked about mass incorporation incar. does anyone stand up for that particular hearing? i don't think so. but i don't know how much they were really trying to do that. i think the difference between this and -- >> kennedy: build bar should give a master class and how do confirmation hearing. for nine hours yesterday, he was totally unflappable and clearly he has done this several times. b

. >> woodruff: amy klobuchar is a democrat on the senate judiciary committee and she questioned .william barr earlier tod she joins us now from capitol hill. welcome back to the newshour. your overall impression of mr. barr? >> well, i think, first of all, he clearly has e theerience from the past of being the attorney general, but the question is not just that experience. what's he going to do with that experience? and that's why i was so focused on the fact tha he wouldn't really commit to follow the advi of the career eths lawyers in the department about whether or not he should recus unmself from supervising the independent el's investigation on russia. and, in fact, i asked him that a number of times, and so did other people, and he said, well, u know, i will-- they can give me their opinion, but i'm in the going to say if i'm going to follow it." and it'sa ironic, be he actually commended attorney ssions for followi the advice of the independent counsel and recusinsohimself. that's very concerning to me. >> woodruff: so even though ahe sa one point-- or maybe at other points as wel

i'll recognize senator klobuchar. >> thank you very much. thank you, mr. barr, thanks to your grandson for the mint. that was very nice. in your previous confirmation hearing for attorney general, you stated that the attorney general is the president's lawyer. you have also said that the attorney general's ultimate allegiance must be to the rule of law. so i'm going to characterize that as the people's lawyer. and there have been times throughout our history, including during watergate, when the personal interests of the president do not align with the interests of the country. in those critical moments, is the attorney general the people's lawyer or the president's lawyer? >> well, as -- the reason i referred to the attorney general as the president's lawyer is because in 1789, they said thaty general is to provide legal advice to the president and the cabinet and that's in their official capacity. and my view on that is that, like any lawyer, you give the best advice as to your view of the law, but if the president determined that he wanted to do somethi

again, we'll be talking about that with senator amy klobuchar in just a few minutes, but i as i mentioned right at the top here, senator chuck schumer is also going to be here, the top democrat in the senate. i'm very happy to have him here live on this very big and important day. we're going to talk to him about william barr, the ongoing shutdown. we're on day 25 of the longest shutdown in u.s. history. the other reason i specifically wanted to talk to senator schumer tonight is because of something unexpected he was able to pull off this this afternoon in the u.s. senate. let me show you something. today we got a new court filing from the special counsel's office from mueller's prosecutors. laying out for a federal judge in washington, d.c. the evidentiary basis of the claims from the special counsel that president trump's campaign chairman paul manafort lied to them during the course of his supposed cooperation with prosecutors after he pled guilty to multiple felonies. this is that filing. which landed on my desk today. you can see the size of it. landed on my desk today with a sort o

klobuchar: i could not have said it better. thank you. we work together when you were a total general -- attorney general. you worked with me to get a replacement. you put someone good and place in the interim and the office continues to be a very strong office. thank you for that. could you briefly talk about when you are attorney general, did you ever say no to the white house. >> yes. sen. klobuchar: can you remember some of the instances? >> i remember one in particular. i don't think i can discuss it here. it involved a position that the government would take in litigation. the white house was of a particular view and the department was of a particular view. and we prevailed. sen. klobuchar: so you think that is important? i had a discussion with mr. barr yesterday. yes you are the president's lawyer and you are giving him advice but you are also the people's lawyer. and there are times when that will conflict. do you want to expand on that? comes to a purely legal position, and the white house has taken a policy position that affect

i'll recognize senator klobuchar. >> thank you very much. thank you, mr. barr, thanks to your grandson for the mint. that was very nice. in your previous confirmation hearing for attorney general, you stated that the attorney general is the president's lawyer. you have also said that the attorney general's ultimate allegiance must be to the rule of law. so i'm going to characterize that as the people's lawyer. and there have been times throughout our history, including during watergate, when the personal interests of the president do not align with the interests of the country. in

when you listen to the senators klobuchar and graham, they hit the -- they hit the nail on the head ands is a few days before we learned of this buzzfeed reporting. is it possible that these senators knew what was coming? >> i don't know if someone in their position would have known that this specific story was coming, but in a lot of ways it is not surprising that she would have wanted to ask him exactly that in the few minutes of time that she had with him. democrats in general are now preparing and laying the ground work as much as they can for potential impeachment proceedings and they just want to be prepared, right. two reasons it is not surprising to me that klobuchar would have really wanted to nail down on this specific issue with barr, one, is that there have already been a lot of concerns raised especially by democrats about barr's views of the mueller investigation particularly because of that memo that barr sent to trump's legal team. did he already have preconceived judgements about the investigation that would be very concerning to democrats and this was an issue going in

that time was amy klobuchar. you saw tim kaine, the senator from virginia who was the 2016 vice presidential candidate, running mate with hillary clinton who thought he was going to be the guy giving the oath as opposed to the guy taking the oath for another term. >> what is going to be interesting to watch with the congress is the generational shift and the generational divide, particularly you look at in the house one of the youngest house classes to come in. you can also see they understand social media in a way we haven't seen before. alexandria ocasio-cortez inviting her millions of followers in the day to day goings on with congress and learning the ropes and inviting them in to make mac and cheese in an instapot. i don't know if that's a good idea, but that's going to be interesting to watch. she is coming in as a leader of resistance and this progressive. it will be interesting to see the way she makes in the house more broadly with her profile. >> with the overlap to what the tea party wave came in. the

ac amy klobuchar, camekamala harr and consid cory booker. >>> barr has already provided a preview of his testimony. here is jessica schneider. >> reporter: a big day on capitol hill that will likely be quite contentious as the president's pick for attorney general faces the senate judiciary committee. william barr will promise that he will let the mueller probe go forward and that he will be transparent. barr will also explain why he wrote that 19 page memo to the justice department that many have read as barr concluding that the president cannot obstruct justice by firing the fbi director, but barr will tell senators that he often weighs in on legal issues of public importance and that his ultimate conclusion was not that the president can't obstruct justice, but the question is whether that explanation be enough for democrats. they are set to drill into barr about his motivations behind writing that memo, we know that barr sent the memo to several members of the president's legal team. and several will ask will it compromise his oversight of the mueller probe. >> all right. thanks.

pulling the levers for the house races, they were not willing to pull the lever for her, and amy klobucharan house democrats did in their states. >> they are not as liked as the average democrat in their state. >> that's a great way to put it. >> it's interesting to see. if elizabeth warren is going to be a liberal icon, and what is interesting in massachusetts, she's not as well liked as the average democrat would be. >> and sherrod brown is a voice to the left, and he out performed. you could blame it's about gender, but amy klobuchar is at the top of the list as well. >> and beto o'rourke, he looks average. >> yeah, i think that's one of the more interesting things on this chart. beto o'rourke did well in texas, and one thing that could be pointed out is texas democrats did not do that poorly in the house races there. >> unless it was beto that inflated those numbers. >> let's look at the context. >> yeah, it's a fascinating table because we are going to be talking about the polls from now all the way up to the primary, and what we see is actually most of the time the polls, at least in

things have really changed and to go to a different chamber i would like to invite senator amy klobuchar to come join us now. >> [applause] klobuchar: well, thank you so much, larry and i'm here as the daughter of a journalist. my dad is a long time journalist and he was there at the heyday of journalism writing for the minneapolis paper, covering everything from the 1968 conventions to mafia funerals to the vikings' four losses in the super bowl but we won't go there. it makes me see this from a different lens. that's why i'm a member of the committee, and along with senator flake, have given a number of speeches on the freedom of press and how important it is to stand up for journalists. as we know, the facts here for jamal khashoggi are so sad. he walked into that consulate just trying to get the papers so he could marry the person that he loved and he was heinously murdered. and what did he do? that deserved that crime? he spoke out and had the audacity to disagree with the government. that is what he did. he described himself as an independent journalist using his pen for the good o

and then we find out today he's refused to meet with senator klobuchar, saying he can't do it because of the shutdown. >> i don't know. i mean, i certainly fear it because barr -- first of all, barr is much better than whitaker. let's just say that. whitaker's an embarrassment to the department. and i was appointed under barr. so i have sort of some softness for him. he's institutionalist. is i feel like there's some hope in. on the other hand, this memo that he wrote to get the job is of some concern. he also has an olc memo that's of some concern. and then we find out today he's refused to meet with senator klobuchar, saying he can't do it because of the shutdown. which frankly is a ridiculous excuse since he had time to meet with four republican senators. and that concerns me. that he is going to be more political than he should be. and we're just going to have to hope that in the senate hearings the democrats can get him to agree to submit to the ethics review and to promise to follow what the ethics people say. and that's what we're going to have to hang our hat on because my gue

i'm going to ask senator amy klobuchar. it.nt trump caved today when he agreed to a deal to temporarily reopen the federal government, a deal that doesn't include any money for his border wall that concession came on the same day roger stone was indicted by robert mueller. joining me, senator amy klobuchar. thank you for joining us. what a day, right? >> unbelievable day. we are glad those workers are doing to be back to work. i think a lot of people are focused on the win asks losses understandab understandably, and what this meant for the president and the strength of speaker pelosi and senator schumer and all of us that really stood up and said we are not going to do something that makes no sense while you hold the workers hostage. really the story to me is those workers, how so many of them kept doing their jobs, the fbi, at prisons, at the airports, without pay. >> you were on my show the night the government shut down. tonight the president, everyone is saying he caved but he did exactly what democrats were offering back

senator amy klobuchar of minnesota put it together. senator, and i don't know, they both seem bad for trump. what's in it for the country what happened today. >> what's in it for the country is that finally these workers are going to be able to go back to work. i was listening to the rightful praise of the work that speaker pelosi and senator schumer and the rest of us did in standing our ground and not giving into the president because every time he gut punches you, but the real credit are those workers, 800,000 frankly workers doing their jobs without pay everyone saw them at the airports, the prison workers, the people at the -- you name it all these security agencies, the fbi, i served some of them lunch today in the food line, just a few blocks from the white house. it was an unbelievable thing that the president let this happen, and those workers are back to work. >> i think it's stupid i wonder if the democratic party would be willing to say no more government shutdowns there's no excuses for them. this shouldn't be a tool, the

klobuchar: mr. president. the presiding officer: the senator from minnesota. ms. klobuchar: mr. president, i come to the floor today to join my colleagues in voicing my sin cease hope -- sincere hope that the president will end this senseless, senseless shutdown. the american people are tired of our country being held hostage and our economy threatened. there are real consequences. i see it all the time. of course my state, unlike senator van hollen's state of maryland or the state of virginia may not have as high a percentage of federal workers, but every worker that is hit by this, it is the same story. at our airport just this weekend i talked to countless t.s.a. officers and they said we will continue to do our job but now we're not going to get paid. you think about these people on the front line that are doing the work for our country that are keeping us safe that are not getting paid because of this senseless shutdown. you hear about the garbage piling up in our national parks. you hear about people having trouble paying their rent or mortgage. you look at the fears about

but this, based on those admissions to senator klobuchar and the allegations, is very different. it's a different type of obstruction of justice. it is the destruction or concealing of evidence, not use of his executive power, but instead trying to tamper with the integrity of evidence, a very different type of category. and william barr has said yes, that would constitute the crime of obstruction of justice. >> thank you so much, barbara mcquade, kelly o'donnell, and of course ken dilanian. we have breaking news now. >>> we'll quickly update you on what's happening on north korea because the white house has just announced that kim yong-chol, the former intelligence chief, top official, right hand person to kim jong-un, who is in washington today, he met with secretary pompeo at 11:00 and he's now heading over to the white house or will be shortly, for a meeting with the president. that would seem to indicate that plans are afoot for a second summit, perhaps to be announced today. we'll have a lot more coming up later in the program. >>> meanwhile, texas democratic congressman jo

. >> amy klobuchar. >> what do you think? >> lots of women this year. it's actually not surprising given the political environment, given what's gone on in the country over the last year in particular. i think a lot of these women are experienced politicians of the they're not running just as women, but i think kirsten gillibrand who's has been carrying the torch for women, particularly in the military, for example, is somebody who's going to really emphasize -- emphasize this. i think elizabeth warren, for example, is running as somebody who cares about consumers and that's her -- that's her thing. it's not just women running for women, but i think it's interesting that the democratic field -- you had julian castro announce on saturday. the democratic field looks as diverse as the democrats in the house. it's a very diverse group of candidates who are going to enter and i think that is reflective of the democratic party right now. >> other potential contenders on the senate judiciary committee. we'll be listening in for their questions. will continue o

among the women, elizabeth warren, amy klobuchar standing in the wings. >> that's an important pointf the women in the race, obviously a crowded race, we talked about maybe 20 candidates. we'll have kamala harris, tulsi gabbard as well. she nods to her gender as a factor in the race, elizabeth warren, "nevertheless she persisted" is a slogan for her. for kirsten gillibrand, obviously a record number of women candidates ran in 2018, a record number of women in the house. i know she's reached out to new women in the house, freshman members, to begin a courtship there for the delegates. we know the power of women voters in the democratic primary, a real potential avenue for her. >> jonathan, when you look at the number of women, you have to rank elizabeth warren in terms of name recognition and money. i would say gillibrand and klobuchar are coming close behind in terms of the major women who are probably going to get in. >> yes, but mike just mentioned a potential female -- >> kamala harris. >> yes, kamala harris will be someone who will win a big constituency in the democratic party.

. >> and amy klobuchar asked questions. she may be in the hunt as well in 2020. but look for kamala harris and cory booker to make points here. i bet they go down similar roads with the mueller investigation. i venture since he's been around the block here, he will say something very similar in his answers. >> dana: bret baier, we appreciate you being on with us today. i hear it in your voice, you might have gotten a cold along the way as it's going around. we appreciate you being here following this hearing and sharing your thoughts. we'll check in with you again if not before "special report" at 6:00 p.m. eastern. we're waiting now for president -- i'm sorry, for bill barr to return to the committee hearing room. you can see lindsey graham there. the first hearing that he's chaired for the judiciary committee as the new chairman. we bring in now shannon bream, the anchor of "fox news at night." she knows the law and she's been following this as well. shannon, tell me about the questions that the democrats have had about bill barr and this letter that he wrote,

senator klobuchar has ideas if you put an ad on social media you have to stand by it.d about the social media platforms being hijacked by terrorists and bad actors throughout the world. we are worried about privacy. do you know what you are signing up for when you get on these platforms? working with commerce to see if we can find a way to tame the wild west. intellectual property, senator tillis and senator ckuhns have ideas i look forward to hearing about. you have a package of ethics reforms and i look forward to working with you there on this side. i know there are a lot of ideas that i'm sure if we sat down and talked we could embrace. i look forward to solving as many problems as we can and having a contest over ideas that are important to the american people. senator hatch, thank you for coming. in terms of my chairmanship, if i can do what you and senator grassley were able to do during your time, i will have done the committee a good service. senator grassley, thank you very much. last year was tough. i think you and senator feinstein did the best you could in

there is amy klobuchar of minnesota. is this process goes, they been doing it, as you mention, in groups of four. handfuls of people in time. we have an opportunity to listen and get a peek at our democracy at work in the senate. we will bring you that life. >> melissa: as they sit there signing their names, that they remember they are supposed to be working and not obstructing. i say that in equal measure for every single one of them. it also reminds you that -- okay, if you are signing on the dotted line there, you just got elected. this is your best opportunity to do something as opposed to running for reelection. you are the furthest right now that you will be in your entire term from needing to be reelected. if you compromise now, you have your best chance of "getting away with it" if you think you will be punished for it. which i happen to think you won't. >> harris: as we do slide in -- remember, i mentioned two of the women upcoming. senator elects now from arizona. one of them is here, she was appointed recently

>> that's right, senator. >> senator klobuchar. >> thank you. thank you, mr. barr. i take it as a positive that your grandson has gotten out a pen and a pad of paper to take notes during my questions. i'm also impressed by your daughters and they all chose to go into public service. employees at the justice department, as you know, are furloughed or are working without pay. i've talked to a number of them at home and it's an outrage. very briefly, what do you have to say to them? >> i, uh, i would like to see a deal reached whereby congress recognizes that it's imperative to have border security and that part of that border security , s a common sense matter, needs barriers. >> you're aware that in the comprehensive senate bill that we passed there was literally bills of dollars for border security back in 2013? >> i'm generally aware of that. >> and that also we had an agreement earlier last year which would allow the dreamers to stay legally, that also had money for border security? >> the point is we need money right now for border security. >> yes, we -- >> incl

with democrats on the senate judiciary committee this afternoon, including minnesota democrat amy klobucharld her he would support releasing some information, but wouldn't guarantee a total release of the report. i spoke with the senator just before air time. senator, when president trump says we'll see about any report from robert mueller becoming public, how does that square with what baltimore barr told you today? >> that does not square well with me. it makes me very concerned. i'm glad i finally got my meeting with mr. barr. he was originally not meeting with most of the democrats on the committee, and so i had to send out a public tweet and invite him to coffee, but it did work. and we had a lengthy meeting. and of course one of my play juror focuses was this report. when you have the white house talking about perhaps not releasing it, i think we have a major problem on our hands, because the public needs to know. now bar did pledge that he thought the public should get information that was public, but he seemed to equivocate and kind of hedge his bets about saying, well, i'd want to

now senator amy klobuchar, of minnesota. watch. >> -- that also had money for border security. >> the point is, we need money right now for border security. including barriers and walls and slats end of the things. anything that makes sense in different areas of the board. >> okay, in different areas. that's a good point. so, president george h.w. bush said in 1980 that he didn't want to to a c6 and 8-year-old kids made to feel that they are living outside the law. you were the attorney general. he also said that immigration is not just a link to america's past, but a bridge to america's future. do you agree with those statements? >> as i said, i think illegal immigration -- we have a great system potential. i think it needs reforming, but legal in immigration has been good for united states. it's been great for the country. >> that's why we were trying to work on that reform. i want to briefly turn to fbi leadership. the president has made statements accusing the fbi of making politically-motivated decisions. many of us up

rumored to be considering a run intoing former vice president joe biden, also minnesota senator amy klobuchar and senator cory booker. >>> a live look at the u.s. capitol where the federal government has been in a partial government shutdown for 31 days. the hangup has been over president trump's border wall. today we spoke with nancy pelosi who said the ball is in the president's court. >> reporter: can you characterize your relationship right now and what is it going to take to move forward? >> well, in terms of the president, he's the president of the united states and has a responsibility to respect our workforce and our country and we're calling on him to open up government, not to be at work with our government workers. free the workers, that's what we're asking the president to do and then we can discuss how we protect our borders. it's not right for him to say democrats are not as serious about protecting our borders as he is. of course, we are. we have a better way. we'd love to discuss it with him as soon as he opens up government. >> reporter: it looks like there's no breaking this