well, please tell me if yulia klymenko is with us, and we can talk without her. about i quote, i willt fresh. the eighth administrative court of appeal banned the activities of the political party, the opposition bloc, all the property of the party of all its branches, in accordance with the court's decision, is transferred to the state, but the decision itself can to be challenged in the supreme court and this was reported by the chesno movement. according to chesnoy analyst ihor feshchenko, the court session was formally open, but journalists were not allowed into the courtroom without explanation. they also did not respond to a written request for video broadcasting. due to the closure of the court proceedings here, the reasons for the ban on the opposition bloc will become known only after the publication of the full text of the court decision. according to the activists, the meeting itself lasted only about 1.5 hours it continued yuliya klymenko should join us people's deputy of ukraine mrs. yuliya do you hear us or not yes we hear you i see that you hear us we don't hear you yet

let's try to talk to andriy klymenko, the editor-in-chief of bleksinnews.andriy has a deep understanding of the subject of the sea. question good evening, mr. andriy, greetings to everyone, please explain the fundamental fundamental understanding to us of what blocking of the sea is. yes, how does it happen? i already said that the sea is public access, er, well part of our planet. how does it happen physically? how is it? it's threats. it's the fear of going to ships. how did russia block the sea? well, by the way , minister lavrov and the rest of the russian leaders are silent on one fact that on the morning of february 24, the russian federation, according to the established procedure, released an international maritime warning that in connection with a special military operation it closes the area of ​​the black sea from the latitude of the island changed to the coast of ukraine that military operations are being conducted there and if the russian federation, that is, such a maritime warning circle stallorna is received by all navigators and captains of

klymenko, who is this. they will have to appoint the chairman of the corruption court at some point. i forgot what the name of this beautiful lady of three will overcome corruption in ukraine everyone will be imprisoned, all the scoundrels, and so on, if the whole society in principle somehow tolerates this box. also, they have a very vague idea of ​​what corruption is, because in our country, according to surveys , people think that corruption is when you gave chocolate to a doctor. and that olena denisevich was worried why are you the corruption service absolutely right, you are absolutely right and why do i think that this appointment will change well, no matter how it solves all the problems, let's not say that, let's say it's wrong, you can't think, as you rightly said you know that these three people will solve all the problems. we really like to do that, and now the authorities chose everything, well, let them manage it. we chose them for all the affairs. no, it is necessary to understand it correctl

klymenko emphasized that the internal security of the national police continues to track traitors, theex company purchased 4 excavators for chernihiv utility workers, the utility enterprise in the city was subjected to mortar fire, dozens of units equipment was destroyed or damaged, so benefactors came to the rescue for over a month . chernihiv was under operational siege for two weeks. the city was bombarded with all types of weapons by rockets and bombs. hospitals , educational institutions, residential buildings and infrastructure objects were damaged. according to the kyiv school of economics, the city suffered one of the biggest destruction in ukraine, says mayor vladyslav atrushenko, the city of mariupol suffered a total of losses in the amount of about 9 billion us dollars, kharkiv, near seven billion, the city of chernihiv is the third in this list, 4.2 billion dollars, and we have suffered significant e-e impressions and losses e-e, this is a block e-e infrastructure of the city, the enterprise was subjected to artillery shelling in march, about 20 airstrikes damaged 28 pieces

, detectives of the anti-corruption bureau, which won this competition, so this klymenko was the head of the investigative team and handed the suspicion to yermak's deputy oleg tatar. obviously, they are afraid that the anti-corruption infrastructure will be managed by such such an independent person passed klymenko, that's why they block this whole competition and the latest scandal, you know what we are like, then the corruptions in recent months were part of a big e-e coalition that persuaded the european union to give us candidacy and persuaded them to turn a blind eye to failures in anti-corruption stories, including sapo and imagine two days after the decision of the european commission on candidacy three days before the european council approves the final story about what we approve it has its consensus that is , all countries must be in favor of it three days before in order to somehow remove this tough debate around the anti-corruption prosecutor's office, the conscious part of the government says let's adopt a corruption strategy there well, at least well, at least something

klymenko also emphasized that the internal security of the national police continues to track traitorskyiv. account , they independently created a fund and strengthened their own apartments in order to prevent the complete destruction of apartments , how much money is needed to restore everything buildings and what the residents of high-rise buildings have experienced, collected by dmytro didora, kyiv at eight in the morning in the capital , an air raid alarm sounds in 12 minutes, a russian missile will hit the capital's high-rise building with more than 100 apartments, look at their homes, people who, until february 24, just greeted each other , today united around a common misfortune an electrician was found in the house, a professional builder and an architect worked together to partially turn on the water, gas and electricity supply, the russians destroyed six apartments with just one rocket olena shows us two in which the builders did their redevelopment, this is another apartment, there was a wall here, it was also destroyed, it completely fell and also punched through the wall d

in ukraine bridle bucha in the kyiv region, as reported by the head of the national police ihor klymenko, a diplomat saw with her own eyes the consequences of the occupation of the city by the russian army, in particular, she visited the mass grave where they were buried 116 local residents who were killed by the russians and the basement in which the invaders set up their headquarters and a torture chamber where the russian military abused civilians buchi klymenko added that the occupiers should answer for atrocities in ukraine and bridget bring supports this position andriy kovalev , press officer of the 112th brigade of the territorial defense of the armed forces of ukraine continue to join our broadcast mr. andriy we wish you good health good morning good morning glory to ukraine glory to the heroes mr. andriy what is the situation now in the kyiv region will only talk about kyiv this is the territory of the responsibility of our 112th territorial defense brigade, our unit of the 112th territorial defense brigade will continue to be on the lines of the defense and protection of kyiv

andriy, andriy klymenko and i touched on the topic of the fact that the russians sell ukrainian grainhe country. but we wanted to talk with you more deeply about the impact of the war on the economy of the sea and, in general, for you to tell us how the sea works and its importance in the black sea in global logistics chains yes and well, let's start with this, yes , no one ever even thought that what seemed like a small inland black sea would lead to well, that blocking it would lead to such a global world food crisis. well, what is the value of the black sea in world logistics for today, uh, well, let's look at it, you and i are the second exporter of grain in the world, and we are number one, uh , of technical oil and meal. number four eh honey depends on you, 500 million are boiling all over the world, especially in africa, and it is simply impossible to replace such an export volume. today we have 25 million tons in ukraine, which we have not exported. this is the old crop. we have about 30 million tons, and the grains of the new crop are now coming to the public. we need to expo

bridget bring visited bucha in the kyiv region as reported by the head of the national police ihor klymenkoan army, in particular, she visited the mass grave in which 116 local residents, who were russians, were buried, and the basement in where the invaders set up their headquarters and a torture chamber there, the russian military abused civilians buchi klymenko added that the occupiers must answer for the atrocities in ukraine and bridget bring supports this position andriy kovalev, press officer of the 112th brigade of the territorial defense of the armed forces of ukraine

andriy thank you, it was andriy klymenko , the head of the institute of strategic black sea studies,ed about how russia takes grain stolen from ukraine, and we are talking again about the attack on kremenchug, where a missile hit shopping center, at least ten people died, 20 were hospitalized - these are the data of the local authorities, and journalist alyona dushenko alyona is now in direct contact with us from kremenchuk please tell me what is happening on the spot, was it possible to put out the fire in the shopping center? the federation, as well as the national security council, provided information that one of the rockets was launched at 17: 900. you can see that rescuers are working on the spot, but now oleg has raised a quadcopter that is investigating where maybe there are cars and we can get people to save alyona, we apologize but we have a very bad connection with you, this is alyona dushenko, a journalist from kremenchuk, and reports have just appeared that the head of the poltava regional military administration reported that the number of victims has increased to 11 -

on june 25 this year, oleksandr klymenko won. the biggest closest rival is the prosecutor of the prosecutoreral's office andriy sinyuk scored 229 well the difference is obvious how many points there are 17 points what other questions the competition ended on december 21, june 25 all europe and we promised biden what's next what's next now at what stage is there a winner perhaps you have some latest information about the competition this is that the competition commission is enough to hold a meeting at which to announce this winner, which has not been done for almost six months and it actually greatly inhibits our perspective to move here again, this is a personnel issue, but it is not just, for example, a potential corruption prosecutor, it is not just a candidate for this position. and mr. klymenko is a person who has already proven his ability in investigating high-level corruption, in particular he handed the suspicion to mr. tatarov and we understand that this is such a challenge for the central government to appoint a person in some places who has already proved his absolute independen

andriy klymenko and i already touched on the topic of the fact that the russians are selling ukrainian grain in looting the country. but we wanted to go deeper with you to talk about the impact of the war on the economy of the sea and, in general, to tell you how the sea works and its importance in the black sea in the world logistics chains yes and yes well, let's start with that and no one has ever even thought about it what seemed to be a small inland black sea or will lead well that blocking it will lead to such a global world food crisis yes that is looming so uh well what what what well what is the value of the black sea to world logistics today uh well let's look at it we with you , we are the second exporter of grain in the world. such a the volume of export was simply impossible. today we have 25 million tons in ukraine, which we have not exported. this is the old harvest. complexities we need to bring 50-55 million tons with you in the next 8-10 months, er, er, all our grain export capacities will dry up through er, land crossings , railroads, road transport, ferries, almost

last year, oleksandr klymenko received 246 points . andriy sinyuk 229. what is the problem? everyone present, sofia and vasyl, to contact you and explain to us all what is happening with the competition for the head of sap, why in six months oleksandr klymenko has not been announced as a full-fledged winner why is he i haven't started work, please, because he will be planting a sparrow. and this is the new channel. well, what about yours? what's wrong with this lady kateryna koval, if everything is clear ? it passed by votes, it passed around psg itself. i remember who called them and saw it with their own eyes, friends, what is wrong with us when we have well, we are constantly asked, there you talk about anti-corruption reforms. and why is there no one on the website, because we have here is this system in planting corrupt people. it works in three elements first, he is an anti-corruption court. he is relatively good. i think that we can say that the work is definitely satisfactory. the second is that there is no head for this. god, artem sytnyk, who coped well with his du

1,200 bodies have not even been identified yet, the head of the national police of ukraine, ihor klymenko, at the same time, the police do not have data on victims in the territories under russian control in mariupol alone, probably at least 20,000 dead, blood crimes in buch and the filtration camps of mariupol were wiped from the face of the earth, sleeping areas of kharkiv and cities in the east, all these crimes of russia against we believe that the evidence of russian atrocities will be considered in international courts. currently, they are being collected all over the country among volunteer organizations . they left a mark in the hearts of ukrainians and it remains forever in the archives, we look further russian troops occupied the city of bucha in the kyiv region for almost a month, when they left, the brutal truth was revealed to the world, the rashtists tortured and raped people, destroyed residential buildings and committed looting, the pictures of those war crimes will remain not only in memory for ukrainians, video and photo materials about the buchan massacre are part of th

thank you yuliya klymenko people's deputy of ukraine viktor viktor shlinchak, the head of the board of the institute of world politics, were in touch with us news time espresso anna eva melnyk, who will you introduce ? they stole and took out of the occupied territory the largest solar power plant in ukraine, in addition, anti-aircraft defense worked well over donetsk and odesa, workers further shot down over pokrovsky an enemy missile was the cause of the explosion that was heard by the residents of donetsk region, mayor ruslan trybushkin said, he called on the locals not to post photos or videos from the scene of the incident, so as not to correct the enemy's shelling, two more cruise missiles were shot down over odeschyna in the region, the rashita tried to strike again and reported to the operational command south , other details are being clarified, one person was injured, these are the consequences of the attack on mykolaiv, the russian nazis fired three cruise missiles at the city, and a body from the temporarily occupied territory the operational command of the kherson region r

let 's try to talk to andriy klymenko, the editor-in-chief of the bleksin news publication. quite deeplyands the subject of the sea yes how does it work and uh together with him we are looking for answers to these questions good evening mr. andriy greetings to everyone please explain the fundamental fundamental understanding to us of what blocking of the sea is yes so how does it happen i already said that the sea is a publicly accessible part of our planet, how is it happening physically, how is it, it is threats, it is the fear of ships going as russia blockaded the sea. by the way, minister lavrov and the rest of the russian leaders are silent on one fact that on february 24 in the morning, the russian federation, according to the established procedure, issued an international maritime warning that, in connection with a special military operation, it is closing the area of ​​the black sea from the latitude of the island to the coast of ukraine, that military operations are taking place there, and if the russian federation, that is, such a maritime warning around stallorn, it will be r

of corridors for the export of grain from the ports of our state in connection with studio andriy klymenkoditor-in-chief of the black synews portal mr. andriy, we congratulate you glory to ukraine is the second word, here is the information so far dancing around the unblocking of ukrainian ports how would you interpret that the information given to us by the russian mass media, they were the first to report on some agreements between russia and turkey, and zelenskyi reacted yesterday , but today the turkish side is even talking about an agreement on some kind of discount on our grain . kuleby is quite clear. there is no faith in russia. oh, i think that first of all, we need to understand, in order to unpack ukrainian ports, we must stop hostilities in the waters of the black sea. and in the air plain over the black sea. i think that each of us, including the audience, is able to answer the question whether russia will stop hostilities in the black sea or not. that is, this is an informational entry, comrade peskov said today well, finally, they already er-er means er- they voiced what we

the european union has finally agreed on the grant the minister of european affairs of france, klymenkonounced this to ukraine as a candidate for the eu after a meeting with european colleagues in luxembourg. according to the officials of that european community, figaro reports that it is to demonstrate ukraine's readiness to accept it into the union in the future. we had a discussion that showed broad agreement, even complete agreement on the promotion of discount issues, first of all, the possibility of recognizing the status of a candidate for ukraine in the near future, the three seas initiative decided to start a closer partnership with ukraine involving her in the projects within the framework of the association, the president of latvia aegis levits stated this during the organization that took place on june 21 and 20 and 21 in riga. it was during this meeting, according to the deputy speaker of the verkhovna rada, olena kondratiuk, that ukraine began the process of integration in the initiative of the triumvirate as a partner of this association , the representatives of the membe

with the gongadze case, in fact, because of this, another head of the ukrainian customs, oleksandr klymenkos fired. he worked so hard that since february in 2014, he is wanted, and all because of the participation of the criminal organizations of the fugitive former president yanukovych, ihor kaletnik was also added to the rating of unclean customs officers. he once headed the parliamentary committee on combating organized crime and corruption and then voted for dictatorial laws on january 16, 2014. however, not everything is so bad, this is confirmed by almost half a thousand customs officers in the ranks of the armed forces, but they courageously defend our country, but they do not let the enemy pass further, today the ukrainian borders are restless, but everything is different so is the work of customs under martial law conditions , mostly humanitarian aid gets through the ukrainian border ulyana hryschuk tv channel espresso financial support germany will provide ukraine with eur 1 billion in grant aid, respectively, the agreement was signed by the finance ministers of germany and ukrain

then about more already if actual situation in the fleet eh, actually i want to congratulate andrii klymenkoinstitute of physical black sea research p. good day to andrii, actually before this date i just wanted to say on your opinion, well, there are a lot of reports that there was an unfair distribution of the black sea fleet, 18% only in ukraine, and it was not the best, and so on and so on, eh kravchuk. i remember that all the time already to the deceased, and for that, the question seemed to be why did you give the black sea fleet? did you give it away? if you want. he always remembers that somewhere once, it must have been in the 90s, he said on television when there was still such freedom of speech to kuchma, it is meant that you know if the black sea fleet i would be near lviv. i wouldn't give a single percent and there is definitely something in that, because i remember, i somehow had to watch it, an interesting fact. you probably also know that already in the first one, the first one, respectively . in december, there was a referendum on independence of the year 1991, and already s

missiles , caliber, so the sanction is in time to start acting, we will be back in a moment andriy klymenko the main the editor of the black the news portal was in touch with us now, let's break for the news, after that we'll continue our telethon uh and we'll talk about events on the diplomatic front here, in fact, there are very important decisions for us. i think that some of them anna eva melnyk also will present in the latest news release from espresso anna eva, thank you for your word, colleague. well, what about the most important thing for the moment, i will tell you further with the news editors, in particular about the fact that there is already not enough in occupied melitopol, so the russian nazis started to use the refrigerators of the local enterprises, in particular the meat processing plant, this is not only about it, stay with us, i will start with the situation in kharkiv oblast, the number of victims of the missile shelling of kharkiv has increased to three from zavali, the body of the third victim of the attack was recovered, said the spokesman of the regional department

klymenko hmm opened a case against mr. tatarov can stop his appointment to the position of head of the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office, although he honestly won the competition and this can be seen from the voting results of the commission itself, but everything is done so that you the actual appointment did not take place well, here we can talk about the role of the person in history so here the negative role or the head of the commission that previously regulated what cannot be appointed because a person did not pass the special inspection, now there are no arguments because during martial law, the inspection is not carried out in accordance with the law, there is no other argument that the district administrative court started the case itself, the head of the commission posted it on her facebook page the appeal of the commission regarding the appeal and regarding the decision of the appeals court that the decision of the district administrative court of the infamous vovka court is appealed, respectively,

quote and read it on december 21. for the position of the head of the sap detective or oleksandr klymenkoer december 21, if today is already june 9, and we are still talking about the election of the head of the sap. and this is necessary ask mrs. chairwoman kateryna koval, her name and her colleagues, who are actually mostly appointed by the parliament, but who are actually under the control of mr. tatarov, the deputy head of the president's office, an anti-maidan activist, and a friend of portnova, who still works as the deputy head of the president's office. i would like to remind you who actually block the memory let's look at these uh-uh comical ones, but actually uh-uh hmm, i don't know which stories to pick up about the fact that the cat was fed to one of the commission members, let's not assign now is there voting left, the winner is known, the points are known, it is known who won, all checks have been carried out, all that remains is to raise your hands for this person, uh, and formally announce him as the winner, the commission has not been able to do this for several months, i

who are returning to their destroyed positions do not have much time left at all. it's true yuliya klymenko a people's deputy for the first time, the deputy head of the committee on transport and infrastructure. thank you for your participation. at this point, ukraine has completely gotten rid of the threat of air alarms . you see, a fly has also flown to us in connection with this, so you can already leave the storage. therefore, for now, from the storage we continue our broadcast in order not to interrupt it and now we started talking about money, the latest information is disappointing for ukrainians the world bank worsened the inflation forecast in ukraine to 20% by the end of this year april preliminary forecast predicted 15%. inflation this was reported by the regional director of the world bank in the countries of eastern europe, arup - beneji, his name is inflationary pressure, quote, so at this stage it is expected that inflation will continue to grow and may reach 20% in december against 15% in our april forecasts, he said according to his growth inflationary pressure, in particul

been identified, suspicions have been announced about this, the head of the national police, ihor klymenko, informed ms. the servant of the united states in ukraine bridget bring, the newly appointed diplomat, visited the town today, the police escorted her to the destroyed neighborhoods and to the place of mass burials civilians of buchi and surrounding villages at the hands of the russian occupiers, more than 1,100 people died there in buchi itself, 400 bodies of the tortured 61st bridg-brin were discovered, she said that the usa would continue to support the ukrainian police, specifically regarding the documentation of war crimes in russia. life in lviv they collect embroidered clothes to hold an auction in the united states and with the collected funds to help the ukrainian military, they will sell simple things at an auction in new york who want to buy fluorinated clothes tsn correspondent marichka kuzhik already you know, they are brand new, as they have been for several decades, seven embroidered shirts with the family of the collection were brought to the collection points by mrs.

oleksandr klymenko, if i'm not mistaken, was recommended for this position.intrigues, in which various state authorities are involved, and in particular the office of the president of ukraine, this is the first problem. the second problem is that today ukraine has actually created a system of anti-corruption bodies, but at the same time it is fundamentally important that this system of anti-corruption bodies work, and i think that this is exactly what the corresponding requirement of the european union is aimed at, and it also has absolutely concrete concrete economic choice it consists in the fact that in the process of reconstruction ukraine will receive very significant funds from the european union not only from the european union and the european union well, i am one hundred percent interested in the fact that this money, relatively speaking, does not go anywhere to the left. well, in general, so that such large-scale economic projects as the reconstruction of the ukrainian economy do not turn into large-scale exemplary corruption projects . we have some

at the moment, one person is known to have died, the head of the national police of ukraine, ihor klymenko, previously reported five more people. among the wounded, including a child from a full-scale invasion, this is the second time rockets have hit this very house in the shevchenkivskyi district of kyiv, also a rocket kissed the yard of a kindergarten there , a large gap was formed. this is the woman's passport, which has now been executed with prepared zavaliv and her daughter is now in hospital and her husband, we think they died, a rocket hit their apartment directly or on the ground above it, the occupiers fired at kyiv from tu-95 and tu-160 planes with x101 missiles, they can fly at a distance of up to five and a half thousands of kilometers, the spokesman of the air force command of the armed forces of ukraine yuriy ignat said. invaders today at 6:00 a.m. an enemy missile flew critically low over the south-buz nuclear power plant in the mykolaiv oblast. this was reported in to the nuclear power plant there, they say that it was probably flying towards kyiv, where several explosion

our guests and rostislav pavlenko, people's deputy of ukraine rostislav, i congratulate you yuliya klymenko, people's deputy joins good health of ukraine mrs. yulia, good evening, good day, let's start with legal topics, what worries all ukrainian citizens. they informed us, well, these are general figures that every month we spend non-existent 5 billion dollars to obtain, that is, a hole in our ukrainian budget of 5 billion dollars per month, if we count for a year - this is 60 billion dollars in hryvnias, i will not even multiply because this is a gastronomic amount, where to get money, mr. rostyslav at the present moment because it is somehow a monomic, and in order for the army to function, it also needs money, i am not saying that society, pensioners, low-income social strata of the population were also protected where take funds and what kind of amounts do you calculate for yourself, where should they be borrowed, please, first of all, they really said the word to borrow, it is obvious that this is a question of help, first of all, help from western partners, help from international m

this is this man, he is the investigator , he is actually already actually elected, his surname is klymenko, shabunin writes that they can somehow try to undermine the results of this competition, for example, there is already some kind of implementation that you have this infamous and odious the court opened the proceedings, and the proceedings are conducted by such a judge, ogurtsov, who is also a participant in the nabu and sap investigation, moreover, he is actually one of the investigators of this case on the same individual ogurtsov. in a word, i'm just wondering. does the government not see this? what's going on when it's finally possible to discuss how important this point is, let's still exchange opinions on this matter, i know what it is it is important for you too, serhii, well, look, we understand that the authorities see this. you are no longer aware of the authorities, without their political will. it would not be important. this sabotage of the formation of the anti-corruption procedure is frank and where is the violation of the promises made to president baide and the leader

this was stated yesterday by igor klymenko, the head of our ukrainian police.ates e ukraine and e. he showed a booth installed there, he tells it in detail and he named this figure, though in gucci and butch in the bush itself. here safari is yes, here is 460, but he told the trip that the largest number of dead already, who were buried on the grounds of the temple, and the rest e he told in different streets, and i do not want to predict this, but, uh, he said further that the investigation is still ongoing and not established, that there are often established e, on your part, that is, on the part of the russian federation of the military who took part, but i finished third. that is, we have not received an answer to the main question. i am the cause of death time death number. now. notice these questions. they haven't answered. there is no concrete answer yet. now look to understand everything. but information and then, uh statement, uh and let's say, ah, and not even so questions, but zelensky's answers, uh 461, were members of the second defense. and here i

. >> there's an old expression little town delaware called klymenko. little steeltown say we're like poor is rich or poor invitedd. and we stay longer than we should. so be carefulay no. >> you may not go back. all right. well, i couldn't blame i'm right out here . it would seem a lot more preferable to coming back home and facing the wrathca of america. now what you're witnessing is the great unraveling of the democrats 85% of americans now believe that the country is moving in the wrong direction, including a whopping 78% of democrats. eo so what's making people so pessimistic? well, new gallup data points directly to the economy, noton cultural issues. notl i january 6 concerns 67% oa americans say gas prices are causing them financial pain. 62% say the price of gas means they're driving less. and fifty five percent say gasyh prices are forcing them to change their vacation plans. and it gets even nastier because today we found out that the biden economy get this contracted more in q1.1. the first quarter than previous estimates. a one n point six p

this yesterday igor klymenko, the head of the ukrainian police, said. who were buried on the territory of the temple, and he told the rest e in different streets, and i do not want to predict this. well, uh, he said next that the investigation is still ongoing and not established added that there is an hour of established e, on your part, that is, on the part of the russian federation military who took part, we did not receive an answer to the main question. i am the cause of death time of death number. now. notice these questions. they haven't answered. there is no concrete answer yet. now look to understand everything. but information and then, uh, a statement. uh, and let's not even say that the questions, but the answers of zelensky uh 461, were members of the defense. and here is a very important question. and he said that such an impression says that they are russian military men, and all civilians were seen as partizans or representatives of the territorial, that is, no, no, the status of these people is not clear. yes, these are people now, when