kman got teamed up against by other hedge funds. >> right you know what's amazing to me, brian, is that a lock-short hedge fund, you're always more long than you are short, so you really have to have -- the market goes up, it benefits them more than their bets on the short side so you have to have a couple of bets that are outsizing the market but what the dynamic is going to change, if nothing -- if this continues to ramp like this, is you won't have hedge funds short as much single stocks and they'll just short through other vehicles as we've talked about on the show, but they'll use etfs to get short the names they want to get short. they won't pound the table on any one given name >> delta one products, whatever it might be. you are a hedge fund how do you think this -- does this have a longer-term effect on the, quote, regular boring stock market, or is this just kind of a bizarre, maybe important, but short-term phenomenon >> i don't think any of us know how it ends. if you think about the hunt brothers and how they manipulated the silver crisis, by stopping managers from being ab