if it is below here on december expiration, mike is going to collect that $4 and kmang. if it's up $10, if it's up 3%, 3.5%, he is going to lose six. to me it's not exactly commensurate with the bearish call that you are making, but it is a good options trade because you like to sell >> this is a little like utilities. it's very defensive security in fact, you look at the performance at s&p, and it's making new all-time highs, even as it's been trending sideways it is a place where money and things get really -- >> i mean, and a lot of it does. i mean, we seem to find ourselves at costco too often for citibank this is part of the holiday indicator. lulu has a big showing up on our bills, and costco keeps. you know precisely what i'm talking about if you have been there and tried to find a parking spot while you're there, you can sign up for our newsletter. here's what's coming up next >> zoom zoom >> tesla shares are racing higher they could soon reach unchartered territory, according to mike. >> plus, calling all opgs action pass grab your phone and tweet us your questi