to me i don't think it's fair, kmele. >> cnn is able to use whatever they like to.here's plenty of momentum there and voters like to whaer what she has to say. >> carly fiorina has what donald trump has. she has new ideas. we need her on that stage. because where trump doesn't give any sort of policy or any actual statistics or facts, fiorina does. >> isn't that what voters actually like, he's not saying a great deal of substance, giving them great laugh lines and pushing back against the commentators? >> entertainment at its finest of course. but as these debates go on we're getting closer to electing a president who needs those facts. >> i find facts to be very complicated, cat. i'm learning through this process that the fewer facts you have the further you go. am i correct? >> no. >> or farther? >> you have to be a little wacky and fun and interesting. but facts are a nice bonus. >> all right. >> yeah. especially with the internet available with all the facts. >> i got a question for the liberal panel. as much as obama might loathe the clip tontons, i don't think