>> kmele: sure. the legislation could have merit if it were clear that this was a unique problem that needed to be addressed. i'm not sure there are many violent offenders -- >> eboni: is there a quota? >> kmele: we have are citizen rates that are high. would you -- recidivism rates. >> eboni: what i am saying is, i have seen it. once you commit a violent crime in this country. if we take a plea deal, it's going to affect their immigration status. so we move forward. you don't then get to say never mind. i want to come back and whatever happens happens. that's not the advantage. i agree with you both of you on criminal justice reform. politically speaking, that's not what this president ran on. >> eric: it is not one or the other. if you had criminal justice reform, you might be more effective in implementing laws like kate's law. >> eboni: appears this has passed. that's what we are hearing. this is sanctuary cities. >> eric: that was the tougher hurdle. >> kat: i'm not saying theoretically you can'

gene: kmele? kmele: sure. i think at the beginning of the conversation i tried to at least demarcation.ort of when i am using the word racism, we're talking about it in this context, i am thinking about yes, explicit acts aimed at degrading someone or actual prohibitions against black people or various other racial groups doing things that are codified in the law. i think that is pretty easy to call and to describe as racist. there is a subjectivity to the racism in virtually every other context. and the popular definition about racism requiring power, i have always found extremely dissatisfactory, and quite frankly today in an environment where you could potentially lose your job for use the word niggeredly because it sounds like nigger, the real question is who has power in that dynamic? there is no doubt that there are certain people who feel empowered to speak freely about issues of race. i feel fine saying just about anything about race. most of you wouldn't take this microphone and do that. you would act

[applause] but kmele so technically that its year-old goes to kmele. congratulations to you both.applause] lorentz will be over at the table. bring your $20 bills if you would like a book. thank you very much. [inaudible conversations] of good afternoon. i a m. the director of the environmental and energy study institute i'm delighted to welcome you to e

debate now on whether college campuses foster racist environments with telecommunications entrepreneur kmele foster and lawrence ross, the author of "blackballed: the black and white politics of race on america's campuses." the sojo forum in new york city hosted this event. gene: welcome to the soho forum that features topics of special interests to libertarians and aims to enhance social and professional ties within new york's libertarian community. we're partnered with reason magazine presenting these debates and you can catch audio of all of our events on the podcast which you'll find in the itunes store. i'd like to thank the smith family foundation for making this series possible. i'm gene epstein, economics and books editor at barron's magazine and moderator. for more information and to buy tickets to our future debates, go to our

[applause] but kmele so technically that its year-old goes to kmele. congratulations to you both.applause] lorentz will be over at the table. bring your $20 bills if you would like a book. thank you very much.

[applause] but kmele so technically that its year-old goes to kmele. congratulations to you both.applause] lorentz will be over at the table. bring your $20 bills if you would like a book. thank you very much. ♪ >> tonight, q&a is in hyde park where we go inside for a rare look at fdr's personal office and collection of spero, theith paul museum' is director. >> it opened in june 19 41. he was still president of the united states. this became the northern oval office. fdr had an inquisitive mind. there are 914 books in this room alone. fdr took was selected by be in this room. this room is a most identical to the way it was the day that fdr died. nothing has changed. >> watch q&a from the franklin d roosevelt presidential library and museum in hyde park, new eastern onht at 8:00 c-span. >> in case you missed it on c-span, retired brigadier on the gerald calloway possible threat of climate change on national security. >> if you go back to older field manuals, there is one from the 1980's that said weather and significantthe most aspects of battlefield combat, whether it is the runw