while visiting the microsoft up withe also knocaught carol eisa of california, who has attended the show -- daryl issa of california, who has attended the show for many years. >> tell me why this software is different. >> well, we really do think we take a different approach than what the competition is doing. you put the phones side-by-side, you will see. >> this is a nokia phone using windows software. it is different than the iphone which is hardware and software from one vendor. >> that is right. just like the pc, the phone follows a very similar model. we have several nokia phones. we have an atc. >> you're doing droid and microsoft. -- they are doing droid and microsoft. >> absolutely. they can work with many partners. >> that is a big screen. >> and 16 megabytes of camera. >> -- megapixel camera. >> is the screen different? >> the screen is a larger size. what we believe that microsoft is that one size does not fit all. some people like a white phone with curves. something like -- some people like a larger phone with a better camera. we are bringing this experience across windows,