mark knoller?t: well, what's also interesting is the opportunity to compare one president's numbers with another. i think you've got some numbers, for example, on georgal w. bush's visits to his ranch at camp david, which also illustrate what's important to a president and aspects of his presidency that you normally don't get in the day in and day out reporting. >> well, you can appreciate this. for our radio audience we were showing some just for our television audience but visiting camp david all or part of 487 days, made 77 visits to the ranch totaling about 495 days and played a played that he didn't play any golf after october 13. guest: president bush said he felt that after 9/11 and with american forces at war in recollect, and suffering casualties, he felt it was inappropriate for him to be seen in a recreational environment playing golf. and so about five months after the war in recollect began, president obama decided he would no longer play golf. host: jassen joining us from seattle, was