that's a different knudsen, it's not my knudsen, it's another guy. i think it's now still probably the largest construction firm in the world right now, morse and knudsen, and the other company, tennessee eastman, who became involved in wartime construction. all of these understanding the process of lae-scale enterprise which they used not just to construct docks to repair pearl harbor, for example, and to prepare military facilities, but also to build ships. kaiser's liberty ships being the classic example of that. as the time in which it took to build constantly shrank down to fewer and fewer days until finally by 1942 they could launch a liberty ship every five days if they had to. in fact, a great story about a lady who comes out to christen one of the ships at kaiser's yard up in portland, oregon, and she comes out with her champagne bottle, and the ship's already gone, sailing merrily down into the south. so one of the workmen comes back to her and says, hey, just wait a minute, lady, there'll be another one along in a few minutes. [laughter] a