. >> caller: what i want to talk to you about, and susan, as senator kobren was on your show about a month to ago and he was talking about running all of these tests that he knew were unnecessary but he had to do it for his liability is that not waste fraud and abuse? if i were to do something like that i would be in jail. i know there are other doctors that do this. i am 63. i am in the va system and they controlled my blood pressure and everything and does not cost me one time. i could be on medicare but i chose not to progress have been within the day since i have gotten out of the service in 71. but why are all of these test being run? i know it cost money. >> host: they do. testing and that has been a regular theme of yours with the regular habit -- article how to get to the point* where doctors, all on test that they say even are gold-plated? >> yes. your caller hit the button driving the process on the malpractice system which is driven in ways, an example. headaches. one community actually tried to look at how many ct scans in cedar rapids speed 13 for a population of 300,000