re guest: charles koc nd the ones people think of as the coke brothers and in wichita kansas where the family industries are based into david lives in new york and is the wealthiest president in manhattan. there are two others, bill and fred but mostly you don't hear about it in the headlines. >> host: why not? >> guest: they are not as political and in some ways, they are losers in a huge family struggle that took place over the years

re guest: charles koc nd the ones people think of as the coke brothers and in wichita kansas where the family industries are based into david lives in new york and is the wealthiest president in manhattan. there are two others, bill and fred but mostly you don't hear about it in the headlines. >> host: why not? >> guest: they are not as political and in some ways, they are losers in a huge family struggle that took place over the years. it's the biggest company no one has heard of it almost every american probably comes into contact with a. but there's georgia-pacific lumber like so many other products you are a consumer of the industries and it was an epic fight who is going to have the control of the company that the father started and the two that lost out are the ones you don't hear about. >> host: what do bill and fred do? >> guest: he started up his business of fossil fuels. it has call and gas. he has his company that had a different kind of coke and fred is a shy philanthropist who is very interested in the arts and gives money to all kinds of cultural institutions because the