including charles koch.n in exclusive interview with jon karl, he says he's probably sitting out the general election. he goes on to say this. >> is it possible another clinton could be better than another republican this time around? >> it's possible. it's possible. >> you couldn't see yourself supporting hillary clinton, could you? >> well -- that -- her -- we would have to believe her actions would be quite different than her rhetoric, let me put it that way. >> it's pretty remarkable that someone who has done so much for your party would go that far. is the party unifying around donald trump or ted cruz right now? >> well, i mean, it's pretty split. obviously, you can see it out there. it looks like a -- you know, on the delegate front, trump has a little bit of the lead. on a delegate selection front, a pretty split decision. i think it will be a close contest in the next 60 days. look, charles koch, i know david and charles. and charles, in particular, has often times gone out of his way to appear nonp

look, charles koch, i know david and charles. and charles, in particular, has often times gone out of his way to appear nonpartisan. maybe he is. i don't know. but, certainly, they have their own activities at the they work on. we have ours. there isn't that much intersection between the two. we're prepared to win in november. but we're also prepared to -- >> they funded republican continues all down the ballot. >> well, sure they have. >> across the country. >> they have. but you have to admit that charles, in the past, has gone out of his way to make the case for him being a little bit less would expect. i mean, that's all i'm saying. but look, the point here is that eventually, we're going to -- everyone is going to run out of time to analyze this. we're going to have a nominee. and it's going the come down to four to eight more years of barack obama and hillary clinton, or a different direction. i think that will be a very powerful case we're able to make at a party. >> meantime, charles koch saying he won't go to the convent

and david koch. and the "charles" was charles koch. she went on, "i think he's also said, and we believe that humans have a part in that." climate change is real, it see seems, and manmade, if even they will say so. what this really means, mr. president, is that the denial schtick has collapsed entirely. we saw this coming with the oil and gas c.e.o.'s in the run up to the parris climate summit, the chief executive officers of 10 of the world's largest oil and gas companies declared their collective support for a strong international climate change agreement. we are committed to playing our part, they professed. over the coming years, we will collectively strengthen our actions and investments to contribute to reducing the g.h.g., greenhouse gas, intensity of the global energy mix. so if the oil and gas c.e.o.'s won't do it and now even the koch brothers won't do it, it looks like denying climate change is no longer acceptable, even to those who most cause it. as we know, big coal took another path,

and the koch brothers do? money out there? >> no, they represent someone that they don't talk about enough here. he's a libertarian on many issues. and to those folks, they look upon the last republican president, george w. bush, as having spent money with the republican conk out of control, right? then obama comes in, and he spends money out of control. and they're looking, where can they go to find someone who will stop the spending? and somehow try to change the direction of the federal spending and the government. the clintons were the last ones that had a balanced budget. let's face it. so koch may be thinking these people are really not anti-business. bill clinton was pro-business. not anti-business. >> basically what he says is that everybody in this, hillary clinton and the three gop candidates have some votes. i did not hear koch say that he would support hillary. media continues to spin words. last comment from you? >> no one said he did say it. he said he was open to it. which by itself is a big bit

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i just frankly don't know what charles koch really believes anymore. >> do you think the koch brothersr money behind both belief and victory? >> they're spending so much money and it's so many disperate efforts they're funding. they were going to buy pass the rnc and set up their own apparatus to distribute money. it quite frankly hasn't been going that well. >> are the democrats kind of like the koch brothers now? >> no. we do not believe billionaires should influence elections. it's a very bad thing for the supreme court to have decided that some people -- there are some people who are more equal than others, which is essentially what citizens united did. i think the problem is they really are libertarians. they basically think business should be able to do whatever they want. but they also think individuals should be able to do whatever they want. and cruz and trump are both authoritarians. that bothers them quite a bit. i agree with you about rand paul. he's much closer to a true libertarian. i am totally confused by this. but it's interesting and it's not a good thing for cruz or

is that what charles koch seems to be embracing?ment shared by a great many americans? >> donald trump is going to need mr. koch, both brothers, both as he will need a lot of people's votes. that is why his comment is really more focused on him than it is the kochs. his base of support is as sour about people being able to give large amounts of money as bernie sanders's base of support is. trump knows exactly what he is doing by making comments like that, just as he knows what he's doing by continuously berating and criticizing the delegate selection process. he needs to keep his base of voters fired up as we go into these final few states. gregg: all right. a good friend, let me go to you, sort of different approach, you've seen the poll numbers. hillary clinton's net negative is minus 21. majority think she is dishonest, compared to donald trump, a lot of people might be willing to hold their collective noses and vote for her? >> well, look, i mean donald trump's negatives are often in the 60s. gregg: that's what i'm saying. >> we

billionaire businessman charles koch, one of the two koch brothers said clinton may be a better choicepublican running. >> is it possible another clinton could be better than another republican this time around? >> it's possible. >> you couldn't see yourself supporting hillary clinton, could you? >> well, her -- we would have to believe her actions would be quite different than her rhetoric, let me put it that way. >> and then in response clinton just tweeted this, not interested in endorsements from people who deny climate science and try to make it harder for people to vote and included a link to koch's interview. this is all ahead of a important five-state in primary. maryland is one of those states, 95 delegates up for grabs. let's talk about this with former maryland governor bobber lick. go ehrlich. >> what do you think about the koch brothers or one of them saying maybe hillary clinton would be the best one and then hillary clinton saying i wouldn't want his endorsement? >> this is a nonstory. i know you have to report it so i'm not critical of you or any news media outlet for t

hillary clinton didn't want money from the koch brothers. >> i'm sure if the koch's offered money anonymously and untraceably, she would say yes. she can't do it in public. with the koch brothers, it's not as shocking as people think. they are libertarian in their thinking. trump is a big government guy. cruz, who is small government, nonet nonetheless is libertarian. if you hear them say they could actually not support the top two, that reinforces what steve is saying. there are a lot of republicans who will stay home or write in or do something else. that is a threat, which is why i think this idea of the people's choice is a matter of perception. i'm not saying i defend that argument. you have to win a majority. nonetheless, it will be seen as legitimate if taken away when he's that close. >> to the point of the republican race is hillary clinton. >> there is no unifying figure in the republican race. hillary clinton will be unifying to a certain extent. she can't overcome what donald trump is and has done for many republican voters. >> listen to the focus groups, the walmart moms, peter h

we begin with an explosive new interview with conservative billionaire charles koch who explained why he's not supporting ted cruz or donald trump at the moment. >> is it possible another clinton could be better than another republican? >> it's possible. it's possible. >> you couldn't see yourself supporting hillary clinton, could you? >> well, i -- the -- her -- we would have to believe her actions would be quite different than her rhetoric. let me put it that way. though on some of the republican candidates, before we could support them, we'd have to believe their actions could be quite different than the rhetoric we've heard so far. >> now, in that same interview, koch went a step further, saying he may not support any gop candidate. while ted cruz looks ahead to indiana, donald trump is campaigning in maryland today. it is one of five states holding a primary on tuesday. a brand new poll of pennsylvanians shows trump with an 18 point lead over cruz. 210 delegates are at stake for the democrats in pennsylvania. ed and hillary clinton and bernie sanders are campaigning in connecticu

and the koch brothers are a part of that, but others. recall, more and more money came in. and you have really seen the development of a new establishment in wisconsin. a right-wing establishment funded very, very much by out of state money that is at direct odds not just with the wisconsin progressive tradition as some people might understand it, you know, in the contemporary sense of being something that mostly democrats are aligned with, but also as dale schultz illustrated earlier, at odds with an old wisconsin republican tradition, which was a faith in clean government, in ease of voting, in a sense that democracy worked best when it was a clash of ideas that were relatively equally matched. what we have seen in recent years is a huge effort to kind of give one side an immense advantage. >> scot ross, we have worked on the issue about the bradley foundation which is sort of less well known than the koch brothers but in some cases spends more money. what has the money typically gone toward in wisconsin? >> well, it typically go towar

this is the ed koch 59th street bridge, the elevated tracks over here. as you go snound, you can see we've got lots -- inbound, you can see we've got lots of volume. l.i.e. westbound side lots of volume and that is because of an accident. let's go over to the maps. we'll talk to the l.i.e. first. or the ed koch 59th street bridge first. manhattan-bound accident on inbound, into the city. we have hudson and light rail suspended and new jersey transit, regular trains, path trains are doing just fine. long island railroad, metro north doing just fine there. is an accident on the l.i.e., westbound right near exit 19. that's what that backup on the is about. 78 eastbound local lanes ramp to 58 an overturned truck. the truck is carrying 900 pounds of frozen chicken. street cleaning rules are in effect for taw. lori and ken, over to you >> won't be frozen that much that. >>> 6:10. and up next traffic tragedies happening in bergen county when a police cruiser plows into a man's car. >>> plus a case of mistaken identity that led to the police shooting of an under

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david koch.ave bankrolled so many republican and conservative causes over the years. saying they're sitting out. saying he would consider voting for hillary clinton. that shows the pressure that the rnc is under right now. that's why people like paul manafort has to go to the republican party and say, donald trump can tone it down. we're going to be asking reince priebus about that this morning. that's a huge development for the kochs to sit out this election. and for them to be talking about the possibility of voting for hillary is unremarkable. >> is it unprecedented? >> it's shocking to me. >> shocking to george. that's a high bar. george, thank you. we appreciate it. i want to remind everybody again. george has a big show this morning. much more of the newsmaking, shocking interview with charles koch. and george is going one on one with the democratic presidential candidate bernie sanders, as he mentioned, also the rnc chair, reince priebus. that's later this morning. >>> and speaking of news

the first ones i've known in america are the koch brothers. if they're successful in their splurging of their vast wealth and accomplishing what they set out to do in this campaign, i feel very, very bad for our country. they will be talking about us like they talk about russia, the oligarchy that is there. we're going to have one of the same. now, we must not forget how the koch brothers' minions tried to intimidate journalist jane mayer because she dared to expose the koch's attempting to buy our democracy. her book called "dark money" is on the "new york times" best-seller list and all over the country people are buying those books. why? because they -- it's an insight into how two brothers who are trying to buy america. charles and david koch use their fortune and tremendous clout to force senator moran to back down from his position. publicly, i kangth imagine how one of us -- i can't imagine how one of us, a senator, could be forced to do that in the manner that he was. all this because the junior senator from kansas dared to meet with t

koch spoke to journalist jonathan karl. correctly,ring you you think bill clinton was a better president than george w. bush? >> in some ways. and otherwise, i mean, he wasn't asexemplary -- but as far the growth of government, the increase in spending on restrictive regulations, it was 2.5 times under bush that it was under clinton. >> is a possible another clinton could be better than another republican? >> it's possible. >> you couldn't see yourself supporting hillary clinton, could you? -- we would have to believe her actions would be quite different than her rhetoric, let me put it that way. amy: oil baron charles koch speaking to abc news. virginia democratic governor terry mcauliffe has restored voting rights to more than 200,000 felons. bypassing the republican legislature, mcauliffe issued the change through executive order. it will allow people who have served their prison time and finished parole or probation to register to vote in time for the november election. virginia is a key swing state. most of those affec

. >> ihink there's a difference between the koch brothers and us. >>> plus, the republican party at war with itself. >> this is a rigged system. the republican system is a rigged system. >> the trump campaign is trying to be more disciplined. but is it too late for the candidate to change the script? republican chairman reince priebus joins me. >>> also north carolina new so called bathroom law. does it discriminate against the lgbt community? i'll ask the governor, pat mccrory if reaggregates signing that law. joining me is chris matthews. kathleen parker.

billionaire businessman charles koch, one of the two koch brothers told abc news that clinton may be a better choice for president than any republican running. >> so is it possible another clinton could be better than another republican? >> it's possibility. it's possible. >> you couldn't see yourself supporting hillary clinton, could you? >> well, her -- we would have to believe her actions would be quite different than her rhetoric. let me put it that way. >> has repeatedly condemned the koch broeshlgs and influence own stalling progress for -- and political columnist, good to see both of you. that's a big wow. what -- let's rewind that. did i hear that correctly? >> brian, is this sending like shock waves particularly throughout the republican party? >> yeah, but welcome to 2016, right, to quote the great scientist and ghost buster, peter venk men, dogs and cats living together, it's mass hysteria up there. they have a tlot of flak for being conservatives but they are really more libertarian, not exactly stalwart party people. so therefore whichever candidate they believe will be

hillary clinton saying she's not interested in koch's support. >> be interested to see how this shapesthe campaign goes on. >> absolutely. >>> coming up, the high stakes fight over a picasso. >> the art dealer versus a socialite. the socialite says the painting was stolen from her home. you're watching "world news now." >> announcer: "world news now" continues after this from our abc stations. you're watching "world news now." ♪ i don't want to be a lost picasso ♪ ♪ i don't want to be a lost picasso ♪ ♪ doing my thing >> kudos to our behind the scenes guys for finding that song. i don't want to be a lost picasso. well, let me tell you something, when you are, a legal tug of war can happen like this one playing out over a valuable picasso portrait over one of the artist's early mistresses. >> a miami judge ordered a miami art dealer to return the painting to the fifth avenue to the home of an elderly billionaire widow from whom it was allegedly stole. >> reporter: a billionaire socialite and a miami art dealer are in an all-out war over this painting by pablo picasso, worth nearly $1 mi

charles koch, one of the billionaire koch brothers, viewed as villains in the democratic party for ateresting perspective on the presidential race and hillary clinton. so listen. >> is it possible another clinton could be better than another republican? >> it's possible. >> you couldn't see yourself supporting hillary clinton hillary clinton could you? >> well, her -- we would have to believe her actions would be quite different than her rhetoric, let me put it that way. >> so brian, what do you interpret in that answer? >> that -- the very thing that progressive dislike about hillary, which is her malleability is exactly what the kochs like about her. that they don't actually believe that she believes what she's saying, that she would govern like a pragmatist and follow the polls, similar to the way her husband governed. that seems to be what's getting this back handed endorsement from the kochs and what's been giving clinton trouble in the primaries. >> hillary clinton did tweet out she didn't necessarily want the endorsement, and that's pretty interesting. especially when they say

koch's not endorsement comes as clinton is ahead of the primary states voting tomorrow. still sanders says he is not going anywhere. for more, let's turn to chris frates. >> reporter: on the campaign trail, hillary clinton was pivoting to the general election because she is on friendly turf. maryland, pennsylvania, rhode island, connecticut and delaware are all place where is she is expected to do well when voters go to the polls on tuesday. clinton campaigned among african-american churches in philadelphia. her strength among the african-american community is why she is leading bernie sanders. bernie sanders needs to win 80% to win the nomination. she only needs 30%. she needs to focus on republicans. her campaign released a video this weekend and she has been hammering trump on the stump. >> every time trump says one of the things he says, a lot of people are surprised or shocked. after a while, with so many of those comments, those insults, the kind of demogogary we are seeing from him, you have to ask what really is at stake in this election? one of the things that i

you're right, she is an immensely unfavorable candidate which who is charl koch is freaking ought shee going against him iowa also incredibly high negatives. i believe in science there some truth to globe warming, vaccinations work but win every poll says your unfavorables are in the donald trump realm you better watch out because ty higher than hillary clintons and that is the probl he faces. he done -- here's the thing. the party apparatus knows that. what do we mean? these aren't a bunch of hedge fund guys sipping champagne. these are school teachers, small been people, the delegates. and if that thing reaches a second ballot i think it's a very strong likelihood he's going to lose help has to win it on the first one because the party itself is just scared to death that he will be saying tuned things on the campaign trail, nasty thing and make it easy for one like hiary clinton who has a record of doing stuff that looks illegal. we're talking about -- she set up her own e-mail server and her government e-mails went to while she was -- >> she is beatable but he is note guy might be

koch brothers fame. >> koch brothers fame. he wants paul ryan as the g.o.p. nominee. >> and paul ryan did an interview with a radio talk show host today saying i'm not in this. he was in israel over the weekend. asked bay newspaper over there. i think what it show us is they're searching. >> paul ryan said i will not be speaker of the house. i'm not going to do it. >> what happened? >> he is the speaker. >> you're right. paul ryan likes to say no. probably said no at first to the vice-presidential this will and win for that with mitt romney. so is it possible? yes. what it speaks to more is the republicans are searching for some way out. what do we do here. >> paul ryan's numbers are not great with the base anyway because once he got there, he went there because he was a tea party push. >> dan phifer, the former senior adviser to president obama that said a lot about the whole deal with paul ryan. he said wait nell trump supporters fine out the one being pushed is pro trade, when trump is antitrade, and

charles koch, whether he will spend any. no way. i'm not putting my cash in here, not for, not oppositionally. who would i back? i don't know yet. depends who jumps. >> what do you think of hillary, mr. koch? >> i don't know yet. what do you. harris: what do you think of gop candidates? i don't know yet. that point is big, big announcement from a guy with a lot of money. sandra: he left the door open to supporting hillary clinton. hillary clinton said, no thank you. >> very odd for both of them, in some respects she might govern better. her to say she doesn't want his support. she wants everybody's support she can get in. maybe i get in. andrea: doesn't have best luck backing candidates. they have chosen and picked horses not exactly crossed the finish line the way they wanted them to. to your point about kasich and cruz supporters meshing? i don't see that happening. kasich's supporters are so moderate and cruzs are so conservative -- >> there is a fee of down-ticket defeat if donald trump is up ahead. harris: do voters care about

i think there is a difference between the koch brothers and us. you know?he difference is, if i succeed -- if we succeed in electing an entire congress, but a senate and a president, young, the tax policies that they would enact would probably cost us a lot more money quite honestly. the koch brothers would profit if they get their way and that's what -- you know, we have -- there's no profit for us in this. you know, understanding this. the koch brothers have said they're going to spend $900 million not on the presidency. but on the down ticket. on the senators and the gubernatorial race and the local races, and so our job is to try and counter that in some way. >> you actually had plenty of nice things to say about bernie sanders. i think you did an interview with "the guardian" where you said you liked the issues he was bringing up. you thought he was pushing hillary clinton in a certain way. i'm curious, why did you pick clinton over sanders? >> well, i worked with secretary clinton as a secretary particularly when -- when sudan and south sudan were loo

koch. bedrock principles if she were to go against all of those things then they can possibly see supporting here. it seems to me that the koch brothers, charles and david are in a bit of a political pickle here. it does not seem like there is anyone running for president on either side that they feel like they can get behind 100%. >> and since i got a chance to ask you guys in a word, do either of you think that this stop trump movement by dividing or joining in and dividing up the territory between cruz and john kasich is going to work at this stage? >> i will go first and i will cue to the one word "no." [ laughter ] >> let me adjust a few more andrea, sure, strategically speaking if donald trump was in a lab and say what could i do to convince people that there is a conspiracy out here by the establishment to keep me from nomination, this would be it. >> a public alliance between john kasich and ted cruz, the two remaining candidates. what you have to understand is this is a gamble desp

charles koch, saying hillary clinton might be a better choice. and sounding off on trump's proposed ban on muslims coming to america. here's what he told jon. >> well, obviously, that's unethetical to our approach. what is worst, is having them all register. that is like nazi germany. that's monstrous, i said at the time. >> reporter: when you hear another top presidential candidate talk about sand glow and carpet bombing in the middle east -- >> well, that has to be a hyperbole. but a candidate, whether they believe it or not, would think that appeals to the american people, this is frightening. >> reporter: is it possible that another clinton could be better? than another republican the next time around? >> it's possible. it's possible. >> jon is here with us now. he said she might be a better candidate. we are not talking about support or money for hillary clinton. >> reporter: he is not going to support hillary clinton. he's not going to give money to hillary clinton. but it's unlikely that he will give any money to any republican. that is a

koch has a distinctive difference. so that's not surprising and the establishment, by the way, of the gop is increasingly, i think, uneasy with the fact that it might be will donald rump and therefore you will say we'll do anybody, but trump including perhaps, hillary which is not helpful to the whole notion of a unified ticket that will be needed after the convention. >> thank you so much for that. >> thanks, pam. >> thank you. >>> on tuesday, voters in five more states head to the polls including the big delegate prize, pennsylvania. join us for all-day coverage on super tuesday. join us right here on cnn. looking back at the legacy of the music icon, prince. we'll go live to his home in paisley park. plus, the music industry has been rocked over his death. what legendary kiss frontman gene simmons has to say about who he was as a musician and as a man. later, is it the ultimate vacation? is space touring closer to being reality. your live in the newsroom. we'll be right back. stay with us. mary buys a little lamb. o

i think there is a difference between the koch brothers and us. >>> plus, the republican party at war with itself. >> it's a rigged system, folks. the republican system is a rigged system. >> the trump campaign is trying to be more disciplined, but is it too late for the candidate to change the script? republican chairman reince priebus joins me. >>> also, north carolina's new so-called bathroom law. does it discriminate against the lgbt community? i'll ask the governor, pat mccrory, if he now regrets signing a bill that has cost his state so much money. >>> and joining me for insight and analysis are msnbc's chris matthews, kathleen parker of "the washington post," radio talk show host hugh hewitt and perry bacon of nbc news. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >>> good sunday morning. donald trump got wiped out in the delegate race in yet another state yesterday. in wyoming ted cruz won all the delegates up for grabs at yesterday's wyoming state convention

the other issue would be the koch brothers. you can take a contribution from the koch brothers.ec would be on your that youo are not allowed to vote on any issue as far asr oil or fossil fuels. host: do you think that would lead to some members of congress who cannot vote on any issues? caller: that is exactly what greta's guest said. you would have some congressmen and senators who would be totally paralyzed because they would have nothing but large contributions. what they would do is get rid of the large contributions and politics. i said, isn't that our goal? take the limits off, total transparency. you just have to recuse yourself if you take a large contribution. you would have a bunch of people that would only take $2000 or less contributions. that would free them to vote on anything they wanted. host: on the idea of contribution limits, different roles in different states that do this. we are talking about federal campaigns but the states becoming a laboratories for some of these different options. alabama, state that has unlimited individual contributions, unlimited sta

the koch brothers would profit if they get their way. there's a profit for us. job is to try and counter that in some way. >> so is the resistance between hollywood superstar having a private dinner which happens to be political and any business person? >> is sort of the same thing because clooney is hobnobbing with his friends. he doesn't need the money. it's not an official club. the koch or others are hobnobbing with their friends and getting unofficial jobs that way. it's really also do the same thing, isn't it really? deirdre: lis wiehl thank you very much. the average american spends more on taxes than food, housing and clothing combined. on this tax day we will bring you the results are many fox report on which states have the lowest taxes. also former president bill clinton may be hurting hillary clinton more than helping on the campaign trail. he said bernie sanders supporters may plan to -- wall street. the e-class has 11 intelligent driver-assist systems. it recognizes pedestrians and alerts you. warns you about incoming cross-traffic. cameras and rad

i think there is a difference between the koch brothers and us. >>> plus, the republican party at war with itself. >> it's a rigged system, folks. the republican system is a rigged system. >> the trump campaign is trying to be more disciplined, but is it too late for the candidate to change the script? republican chairman reince priebus joins me. >>> also, north carolina's new so-called bathroom law. does it discriminate against the lgbt community? i'll ask the governor, pat mccrory, if he now regrets signing a bill that has cost his state so much money. >>> and joining me for insight and analysis are msnbc's chris matthews, kathleen parker, "the washington post," radio talk show host hugh hewitt and perry of nbc news. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >>> from nbc news in washington, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >>> good sunday morning. donald trump got wiped out in the delegate race in yet another state yesterday. in wyoming ted cruz won all the delegates up for grabs at yesterday's wyoming state convention. trump says it wo

. >> reporter: meanwhile in an exclusive interview with abc news, billionaire charles koch, has spentundreds of millions of dollars to help elect republicans over the years. offered praise for bill clinton and even hillary. you think bill clinton was a better president -- >> in some ways. in other ways he wasn't exemplary. but as far as the growth of government, the increase in spending on regulations it was 2 1/2-times under bush than it was under clinton. >> possible another clinton could be better than another republican? >> it's possible. >> you can't see yourself supporting hillary clinton. >> well, her -- we would have to believe her actions would be much different than her rhetoric. >> hillary clinton responded via twitter said she's not interested in a koch endorsement. cruz also reacted koch he was talking about if trump was the nominee but he slammed all of the republican candidates. >>> we're joined here by matthew dowd. let's start out with this kasich, cruz, this alliance overnight, lot of top republicans like mitt romney have been calling for this for several weeks. >> i

how the hell will e koch brotheontrol him? in november, we to attract inpendent voters.: inow. bua loof independents and democratare cong over in spite of all that rancor. >> well david: let me finip with ashley. the is a very interesting point, one delegate, kinof a per delegate, i guess he o e of those committees. curly hugland, ashley, h suggested that even ifif donald trtrump gets 1237 dell pats by d of the season after calififorni, he stillight notot be nominee. is there somome kind of master plplan even if he gets 1237 and beyond to prent hihim om beming thehe nominee? >> i suppose anything can happppen. chairman priebususe out multiple t times says whoever gs 1237s the e rule. if he amasses 1237 i realllly dodon't e how that happens ass much as they would like to takae it from him.m. theyould be denyny will of the peoplele. david: i heard adolpho a aee. >> thahat would be disaster if theyey take it away from him. david: thank youou we have a t of breaking news. good to see yo both. >> thank you. melissa: donaltrump slinging mud at rival john kasich accusingim of s

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