association the national federation of independent businesses and the chamber of commerce or even koch industries to sponsor and or run their town halls and charge me money to ask their republican congressmen and women questions and they can keep a blacklist to make sure anybody who may ask a tough question can't get in this is taking the idea of running government like a business to extreme lengths government is not a business it's we the people and we shouldn't have to pay to talk to our members of congress. what's next every time you want to send a message to your congressman you have to text messages so they get your cell phone number and can sell it to telemarketers at five bucks a problem i'm sure they'll figure out some sort of. leave it to the republicans to turn democracy into a way to make a buck and in the process keep out anybody who may disagree with the sell off and sell out of america and free speech and only those can free speech as sean hannity with his two hundred million dollars contract so often says freedom isn't free what do you want about the by next year it's up to fifty b

sure we actually did not precisely this tactic but we caught a company koch industries hiring affirmed in alexandria virginia called new media strategies and what new media strategies would do was have their stack risk free numerous comments section identities. identities and handles on wikipedia to basically set the frame of the debate at write comments to news stories. stories they didn't like off with a pedia that sort of thing that's absolutely extraordinary and you know we've been seeing this for so long here and i've been yelling about it for some time it's it's great to see. you guys at the center for american progress and others finally nailing it down leave thanks so much for joining us tonight tom thanks for covering this issue it's very hard to to find people that are really up paying attention so i appreciate it i think it's i think it's one of those important things going on lee thanks again thanks again it's time to slam shut the revolving door on capitol hill bolt it closed and call out corrupt congressman right there allies and to call out the right wing organizations t

putting more than one hundred million people at risk if terrorists were to target those facilities koch industries and its subsidiaries run fifty seven of those chemical plants arguably putting four point four million americans in harm's way and while countless environmental labor and health organizations are pushing for legislation that requires companies to beef up their security reports are that the koch's are quietly working to defeat those efforts that's perhaps because they could make more money and save. more money they know that more money spent on security means less money in profits so how are they getting away with this and shouldn't profits come second to saving american lives john dean's joins me now he's a toxic campaigner. campaigner about toxics. so far or not as i said go ahead greenpeace dot org a job well welcome thanks on the coax you and i talked about this on the radio today that's right and in the time from then until now the koch's have come out and rebutted the argument the report that you are the greenpeace and. it was the other organization that worked with you on that.

fuel industry is so large that it blocks even small obvious sensible changes so if you look at the last election the biggest election players were people like the u.s. chamber of commerce and the koch brothers they were the ones channeling money into the selection. of the chamber of commerce was the biggest donor and they gave ninety four percent of their money to climate deniers to people who have some alternative physics and chemistry but the paper rock that shared not science is just by radio walks you know a kind of lysenkoism that's sort of creeping through our political culture. so you know i suppose that's one reason we're you know out there a lying down in front of the white house you know we have to figure out some other currency to work in because we're never going off the money for the moment that currency is our priorities our books our spirit our creativity all that we can muster in the four or five minutes we have left. i'd like to get into the kind of how we got here i i think that your book the age of missing information is is in many ways metal all of this underlies it and over wraps that and talk to us this was a very odd book. i found the largest cable t.v. syste

then the koch brothers get involved, exxonmobil which has been funding climate denial for decades, also funding this stuff and there's this big pushback from the fossil fuel industry after 2007, and the number of people who take this seriously goes down. but it's still at 56% which is a lot. i mean, that's a majority. a lot of policy gets passed without that level of popular support. so, um, i think if there were -- i think one thing that can happen is that education and action can happen simultaneously. so the sear rah club and green piece and the -- green peace and the local organizations in if appalachia have this very successful anti-coal campaign that involves an array of contacts from lobbying to maas mobilization to suing companies to direct action sit-ins on smokestacks and on mountaintops that are going to be blown up for mining coal. and this has succeeded in closing over 100 coal plant that were scheduled to be built. so if action like that can get more publicity, that is simultaneously addressing the problem and, hopefully, educating people. so, i mean, i think it's important that education happen while addressing the problem directly. and, um, in term