k >>> charles koch and until his recent retirement, david koch are major republican donors. they run to help electric republican the. it's been recently critical of president trump who has characteristically shot back at them. this isn't about billionaires battling each other. koch industries is a massive empire touching everyday lives in ways you may not even know. meet jane. >> let's follow jane through her day as she interacts with the products. jane wakes up, had a good night's sleep in her mattress made of memory foam which is a koch product. sh she swings out of bed walked across the carpet made by a company that uses fibers that are a koch product. her work out shirt and pants from a material made by invista. she gabs jeans, maybe jd williams or hollister marketed as having a technology from vista. jane makes sure the kids take backpacks. regardless, they have cordeira fabric made by invest ta, a koch company. now it's time to get to work. windshield is made of a glass. paint produced by a company and belts running the engine. divisions of guardian industries, which i

joining us to discuss james davis spokesperson for the koch network, mr. davis, great to have you here. >> thank you. paul: what is the philosophy of the koch's and the donors towards political giving, how do they decide who to support? >> sure, we've always been policy first and we advanced a lot of really good policy, working with the partisan coalition that's not nearly been enough, what we said we have to look beyond partisan coalition and look at how we advance good policy because despite the advances on tax reform, the va reform and good judicial appointments, we still have been saddled with $1.3 trillion spending bill, we are still separating children and families at the border, we don't have a solution for dreamers, health care is still soaring, sky high in prices and, you know, we've got to do so much more. we are looking at how do we remove barriers that are holding people back and we are willing to work with anyone of any affiliation to solve those problems. paul: okay, so you are looking across the aisle, looking at members at both parties base

they get a ton of money from the koch brothers. pay attention to what their motives are, do pay attention to the damage they're doing to the united states of america. we truly need -- one of the reasons i think brett kavanaugh is a terrible idea for justice is we have got to undo citizens united. the only way to do that is the supreme court. kavanaugh will vote in the wrong way on that issue. >> ari -- >> i'm almost out of time. i wanted to get your reaction to your former mentor roger stone speaking out tonight. and one of his associates going into the mueller grand jury box. do you think that roger's playing this right? do you think he faces any vulnerability as a potential target here? >> well, look, as i've said, roger is a critical piece for mueller's narrative. this is my view to set up, let's say, the watergate narrative where you have all these associates making it look as if this break-in was involved or connected to the president. they're going into roger's personal finances. so when i think when roger is indicted, unfort

both of those in vista, a koch brand.hinking about the brand behind the material because she has to get her kids off to school. she makes sure they take their back packs, from fila, north face, jansport. they have fabric made by invista, made by koch. she gets in her car. the windshield is made by guardian glass, green tint, paint by srg zbloeglobal as are belts in the engine. guardian industries, a koch company. at work, more guardian glass on the company's building. it's g it's good for temperature regulation. chic, hard woods floors, georgia-pacific wood, another koch brand. the cables linking up her computer conveniently, invista products, koch company. she has errands to run, heads to the grocery store, bread, corn, wheat, corn on the cob using koch fertilizer. gets home, nice house, sturdily built. made of georgia-pacific lumber. inside her son is doing his homework. the usb hub on the computer he's using made by molex, koch company. her daughter is listening to music padded with foam, koch. koch produced memory foa

>> the koches -- let's hear your question. >> well, look, the reality is the kochs are complaining and> look, i don't think they said they don't like this president. they don't like protectionism and tariffs and trade policies. >> well, they're going against his policies. >> and they like others, as bill pointed out, so, look, it's very cowardly, in my opinion, for the president of the united states to put this grievance about the koch brothers who again are going to spend $400 million in this election cycle out in public. instead of calling a meeting with the koch brothers, no, they didn't support donald trump but get over it. have a meeting with the koch brothers who are important to the movement, and economic to conservative economics and do this out of the public view. to pick a fight with them is lunatic. >> should the president have a meeting instead of airing everything on to witter? >> i have no what about what the president said, he said this is about business for the koch brothers. he's exactly right. for the president it's about america first. for the koch brothers they empl

leader tonight this letter went out from general counsel at koch industries that the koch network waser an appendage of the republican party and is proud to hold elected officials accountable when they fall out of line regardless of party identity. >> the koch brothers care about an ideology whether they call it conservatism or libertarianism. i would ask them in response to their statement how does supporting heidi heitkamp, democrat out of north dakota who oppose tax cuts and repeal and replace, how does that advance conservatism or libertarianism? it does not. shannon: is that the same as endorsing heidi heitkamp? >> they put out a flowery friendly at about heidi heitkamp and they have this initiative where they actively oppose republicans, actively supported democrats and a nice warning from bernie sanders, open borders are a scheme of the koch brothers. in 2015 the rnc understood they are not beholden to conservatism. and not the case with the koch brothers. >> saying this to fox, a long-term commitment to unite around issues that will help people improve their lives. and where w

plus, we're digging into the escalates faceoff between the rnc and the koch brothers. we begin tonight with the daca ruling just hours ago. a dc-based federal judge ruling tonight that the trump administration must fully restart the obama-era program which provides some level of amnesty to immigrant who is came to the u.s. illegally as children though they're not kids anymore. what's the trump administration's next step? good evening, jonathan. >> good evening, shannon. it's certainly another legal blow for president trump on the issue of immigration. the president had moved to phase out the obama-era action which gives them two-year work permits. homeland security secretary filed a memo with the d.c. court in join, asserting that dhs have the discretion. but district judge john bates wrote, although the memo purports to offer further explanation, it fails to eli elaborate meaningful on the decision. and judge bates wrote that if the agency wants to rescind the program, quote, it must give a rational explanation for its decision, an assertion that a prior policy is ill

people do get worried about it and he reacted to charles koch by tweet saying the globalist koch brotherscome a total joke in real republican circles are against strong borders and powerful trade and i never sought their support because i don't need their money or bad ideas. they like my tax cuts and i made them richer and the network is highly overrated, et cetera, et cetera. you get the drift. that kind of talk has influence on his base. so you know, are there other ways of encouraging the kind of bold leadership they think you want to see or the diversions of trump on trade, at least? >> well, certainly we're focusing on the policies and not getting involved in the personal attacks that others may choose to involve themselves in. our point is this on trade and other issues. we take a genuinely long-term approach. we were out there in the field talking to american citizens and working on these issues well before the current administration and most current members of congress and we'll be there well after the next administration in years and decades to come. so we have a long-term approa

steve bannon, listen to what steve bannon said the about the kochs. >> you take koch money, it's goingif you take koch money there's a punishment. if you take money from people against the president and looking to put a knife in the back of the president, you are going to pay, really? >> the official republican national committee, which is supposed to speak for the republican party, not for one guy in the white house, attacked the koch brothers and warned other donors about going down that path. donors to the republican party, you cannot have your own views. you cannot choose to support more free trade republicans. what kind of party is this now? is this pure donald trump cult personality? that's what the rnc is now about? >> it speaks to these fundamental fissures in the republican party. they're really breaking open, whether it's on trade, immigration, some of these issues where we've known this stuff exists. the question is how do you run in a competitive district, how do you run a race where you want to kind of forge your own pathway but doing so puts you at odds with the president

charles koch.t's appalling to see that. >> if you look at this, what the american public has to understand border security is an issue of national security, an issue of economic security. it's an issue of public safety. >> lou: why didn't charles koch understand that? >> he does. he does. but again, everybody comes into this with their own interests. charles koch wants to continue to make more money. you know? when is enough enough? i'm not saying there is enough. but when you look at it, they are looking at how is it they can make their pockets even deeper. and they are doing it on the backs of hardworking americans who want a safe and secure country that want country of laws -- >> lou: on the back of every american. they change the culture and the character of the country and the safety and the sovereignty of the country. to keep it in context, when is enough enough? we are talking about $120 billion for the koch brothers. that is a good net worth. perhaps not enough as you apply. that is for the

president trump tweeting on the koch brothers, charles koch claims to be giving millions away from politicians even though i know very few who have seen this make ridiculous statement that what president trump is doing unfair to foreign workers, he's correct, america first. the president once again

date was david and charles koch.e tweeted the globalist koch brothers who have become a total joke in real republican circles are against strong borders and powerful trade. they love my tax and regulation cuts. i made them richer. they want to protect their companies from outside the united states from being taxed. i'm for america first and the american worker. the president is not only critical of the kochs longstanding support of free trade that includes legal immigration. they are withholding their donor pennies from the republican who wants to unseat heidi heitkamp. kevin cramer wants his own funerally, but he won't have the slush fund. the president sound exactly like bernie sanders when he irrationally demonizes the koch brothers and idol eyes tariffs and protectionism. if he embraced his free market win. he could fight the wheel enemy, statist socialists. socialism is the worst bad idea of all. and that's the memo. president trump pushed a hard line stance on immigration and protectionist emgracious policies s

david koch has since retired from that famous koch brothers political partnership, business partnership. but charles koch, 82 years old, is very averse to president trump's trade policies, some of his other policies, economic policies, though he does like the tax cut, as most business people do. and because of the tariffs, the president has been pushing, he has been telling republican candidates if you stand with president trump on trade, then you risk not getting the koch network endorsement, which is very powerful at times, providing grassroots support, advertising support. this has vexed many congressional republicans who feel that though the president is not a traditional conservative, they would like traditional conservative support in such a volatile midterm year. >> robert, what's your thought on how closely this white house this president who is, let's say, a more avid television viewer than most will follow the proceedings across the river in alexandria in the paul manafort trial? >> as you were talking with josh gerstein from politico, it's really hard for the president to fol

now, as a democrat, i'm not going to stick up for the koch brothers here at all.ll say to susan's point, yeah, they have a tremendous amount of support, snell wa they will wait this president out. they have the money and support to do that. but looking at it from the outside, outside of the republican party, it is a situation where the party itself even the grass roots, even in middle america is coming to a reckoning. they will have to figure out whose side they are on and whether or not they want to stand up before the koch brothers who have been so bad for my party and for my former president in barack obama, or do they stand with president trump who nobody can -- >> and just one quick thing. they went straight to camera. for years they were really quiet, they were behind the scenes. this is personal. they are not hiding. they are saying we have a problem with you and here we are. >> when we look at what is happening in ohio since we've been watching live pictures throughout the last hour and a half or two and we expect the president to arrive and get there on t

charles koch takes on donald trump.oth of your campaigns, you have received donations from the koch brothers. here is what "the new york times" writes. we know charles koch hates what the president has done on tariffs. he mr. koch and his organizations have struggled to find their place in a political party they barely recognize and whose political fortune is now wedded, for better or worse, to mr. trump. >> he should separate out the pack and they have their own political enterprise that's separate. it's clear the koch organization is concerned about issues. they are concerned about trade. they are free traders. they want a more tolerant immigration policy. they are concerned about spending in the omnibus. they are concerned about re-authorization of the export/import. i was with them on two of the four issues. they are alarmed by the trade issue. i think that's motivating them. that's why they are not participating or actively participating in some of the senate races where republicans have a chance at beating democra

brothers >> a lot of speculation about the koch brothers.ing with the white house? are they supporting democrats now? james davis is here to answer those questions. walk me through this. the president was tweeting about because brothers. there is some personal animosity but there are republicans across the country wondering why in north dakota there is a big senate race and you don't want to support the republican candidate when a lot of your donors are saying they want to make sure republicans keep control of the senate and you are not supporting the republican candidate. >> a partisan coalition is only as good as the policies they pass or can pass and so as we look at successes weird, working with a partisan coalition and the republicans we have seen great success, regulatory reform, appointment of some great justices and another one coming up with brett kavanaugh. we will be supportive of those things but there's a lot that is not happening and how do we rein in spending? we had a $1.3 trillion spending bill under an all republican-led go

big picture the president was tweeting a few days ago about the koch brothers.ttle bit of personal animosity but there are republicans across the country tonight wondering why in like north dakota there's a big senate race and you don't want to support the republican candidate where your supporters are saying they want to make sure republicans keep control of the senate and you're not supporting the candidate in north dakota. >> look a partisan is only as good as the polly says they pass. we're working with part at a san coalition, and republicans, we've been tax reform, regulatory reremember for, appointment of great justices, have another one coming up with kavanaugh, we're going to be very supportive of those things. but there is a lot not happening. how do we reign in wasteful spending? $1.3 trillion spending bill under an all republicans led congress b democrats signed on to that. we want to drive the incentives for elected officials to do the right thing. our country can't afford to continue down this path. >> ed: on that point wouldn't the white house the

how important are the koch brothers to the republican party? rep.ostello: i don't believe i've ever received a conservation from the koch brothers. they are very important to a lot of republicans across the country, but they are an outside organization. they are probably the single most sophisticated political operation outside of a political party. one might say tom steyer on the left is now developing that type of network. i don't want to speak ill of the rnc chair, but i don't understand why you would escalate any sort of confrontation or speak ill of an outside organization that does spend probably hundreds of millions of dollars helping to , and it islicans their choice who they wish to support. takeieve the koch brothers issue with the ball now, the administration's position on immigration and on spending. they are allowed to do it. it is a free country. if we go back to the citizens united decision, it is free speech, so i don't understand what the purpose of doing that is. networkhe koch saying they will support candidates based on their pol

you're watching jonathan koch bench press using the stump of his left wrist.iliar, ever-present pain. >> come on. >> reporter: this unwavering drive -- >> good job. >> reporter: is about to pay off with a new hand. >> if i wasn't ready, then what dr. azari did and all of his genius would have gone potentially, you know, to waste, and so that wasn't okay. >> reporter: but dr. kodi azari had to be ready too. he trained 18 years for this moment, and not unlike jonathan, he too had a silver screen hero. >> birds. >> whoa. >> reporter: "sully" about the hero pilot, chesley sullenberger's miraculous plane landing on the hudson. azari says he watched it repeatedly, taken by the striking similarities between their two professions. >> we're expected to do the operations perfectly every single time. yet, the human body throws curveballs our way, and when that happens, you've got to have the composure to do what's right, to do what's best, and you have to make judgments at very critical times. >> and lives can often be on the line. >> and lives. the movie really resonate

mike pence is a very close koch ally.ot of folks in the trump administration, because pence has a lot of authority over staffing, have come from that world. there are a lot of things the trump administrationas done on deregulation and taxes they've been happy with, but then there are parts where trump has more beiosyncratic personal views. it's fascinatinguse it's not just donald trump. donald trump doesn't have authority over spendingau. ryan has been pushing those bills forward. mitch mcconnell has been putting those bills forward. they're also upset with republicans in congress. there a way it gets identified and personified in donald trump. they don't want to be at oss-purposes with people they otherwise like, but it's not donald trump making all these spding decisions. >> one area i agree with trump, and that's how you win elections. the koch method is you power billio into billions of races. they do well when republicans do well. they do terriblyin years when republicans do terribly. there is not a lot of method the

attention his mindset has destroyed count was business as well charles koch there the powerful koch family before being characterized as a joke why donald trump but the koch family with their ninety odd billion dollars isn't the richest in the world com coffee n.b.c. network even made a video guide to this family saudi arabia's brielle family has a big family for now just focus on. the current. and proud prince mohamed and some britain of course is selling them weapons to yemen right now but the u.k. has also been subject to the whims of a family that owns one of the big four supermarkets it was near the town of kingfisher the thomas walton a struggling young farmer and his wife nancy lee started their family and it was here that their son samuel more walton was born the founder of warm up there which has just been awarded the us peyton to eavesdrop on shoppers and employees in stores but while bloomberg just released their richest families top ten including chanel's where time a as do ma ma. and al brecht's al the it's a media conglomerate families and citizen kane that usually gonna most

was it about trade from the koch network's point of view?rall in our engagement in public policy, we want to support individuals and candidates that remove barriers that can help people improve their lives. we've done a lot to support the white house and congress in tax reform and a regulatory reform, but when we look at trade, we believe it threatens to undermine the growth and economic opportunity that regularly reform and tax reform have -- regulatory reform and tax reform have provided for us. when we engaged in the north , we werenate debacle in supporting heidi heitkamp for trade. in fact, heidi heitkamp, we are not supporting her at all. we are not supporting the republican candidate either. neither of them are champions on the issues we care about overall. they fall short. we have raised the bar for what it takes to get our support overall. we want to see leadership. neither of those candidates meet that mark. we did support heidi heitkamp for doing the right thing on dodd-frank reform in which is important. it provides access to cre

the president all the way keeping up his attack on the billionaire koch brothers, tweeting charles kochwho claims to give millions to politicians even though very few have seen this, now makes the ridiculous statement that what president trump is doing is unfair to foreign workers. he is correct america first. dramatic reading from donald trump tweets today. former rnc chairman michael steele and aaron and anna back as well. you have this feud with now wit trump after they came out and said we don't love everything he does. donald trump took that personally and is out tweeting again. this could be potentially problematic for republicans, right? >> of course, because there is no real separation between what trump is doing in the party. you have those inside the party like the koch brothers who are like we need to be talking about the substance of policy. we need to be focussed on how we grow out the party. they're going to do the candidates and have fun. >> why, if you're donald trump should you look at that and find it compelling when you've ignored it -- >> why should you find what com

i think what charles koch and the koch network are doing right now is kind of, it's, what's happeningican party. there is this cost-benefit analysis going on if you're a republican right now, how much does it cost me to break with donald trump? and if you're the kochs, you're saying, you know what? i'm not going to get any more out of this guy. we're probably going to lose the house. we got the tax cuts, the deregulation. to continue to enable him and his destructive impulses, his inflammatory rhetoric on immigration, will not only hurt us but will hurt the cause we believe in going forward. >> by the way, the kochs have always been far more, i don't know if you way progressive but far more open about immigration, huge believers in immigration, so all of these scenes from the border obviously horrifying. >> oh. >> absolutely. this is -- the kochs are opposed to basically what has been the beating heart of the darkest parts of trumpism, the harshness on immigration, and trade, demonizing our foreign enemies as trying to undermine us. so they decided, you know what? being in the majorit

why are there no koch brothers or sheldon adelsons? >> don, wealth works differently in our community. a lot of black high net worth donors are focused on education, on family. i think we just saw yesterday lebron james opening an amazing school here in akron, ohio, but i think the challenge that we have to speak up about is this reality that, look, we need people of high net worth, african-americans, to understand power in this country. you know, really amazing that, again, we have this amazing new school in akron, but, you know, the akron public schools system has an annual budget of $300 million. so the opportunity to impact public policy, contributing the candidates to organizations like

dems, radical rinos, business round table, chamber of commerce and the president's good friends, the koch brothers. i am being facetious of course. wilbur ross is with us tonight. and media stoking outrage of radical dimms, and thugs, and so-called resistance, suddenly whining, whining loudly about how they are being treated at trump rallies. we will talk about the fake news hypocrisy with our panel, candace owens and vince. our top story, fox news is learned that special counsel mueller will not agree to an interview with the president, restrictive to questions about the russian collusion. which by the way is the reason he exists as a special counsel, period. in a letter to president's attorneys, mule ar mueller saids to talk about be on rubbing obsr topics, day two in trial of former trump campaign manager paul manafort. the presiding judge, ts ellis, the third repeatedly rebuked the mueller team prosecutor attorneys after ellis admonished them tuesday for using the term ocean daroligarch, describes mas ukrainian -- and warned them not to roll their eyes at him. class acts in a courtroo

i think these divisions might actually widen over the next few months. >> but the koch brothers don'tesent money. these billionaires represent $400 million in prepared political donations over the next two-year election cycle, and president trump tweeted just yesterday, they've become a total joke in republican circles. he says, "i never sought their support because i don't need their money or bad ideas. they love my tax and regulation cuts, judicial picks and more." how do you expect this could play out, not just in the midterms, but perhaps beyond, perhaps into 2020? >> well, it's one of many reasons, dave, why i think the republicans are in trouble this fall. if i had to make a call right now, i'd say the house flips back to the democrats. the senate, which i always thought would stay republican, narrowly, now is more in play. a lot more republicans look v vulnerable right now. so, without the koch brothers' money for this election and then in 2020, i do think that's a significant story. >> absolutely. thanks so much, greg, for all of your analysis. we're going to keep an eye on th

what's going on with the koch brothers?t of money to conservatives out there, to conservative politicians, to conservative think tanks, conservative activist groups. now the president of the united states is really going after them. we saw the chair of the republican national committee saying don't have anything to do with the koch brothers any longer. it's pretty startling. >> but interesting to watch this relationship play out, not just now, but for the past two, three years. you know, the kochs were not a supporter of trump when he was a candidate. a lot of their agenda and policy items since he was elected have gone against the president's agenda. and i don't know if this feud is bad for the president politically because on one sense, president trump's brand is about being independent of big money and donors and the self-financed campaign. so being seen as someone who is an antagonist to the koch brothers, even though it goes against these traditional republican norms, might not be bad. >> they're very conservative. the

i will say many of the things the kochs have pushed for from tax reforms to originalist judges. when the trump administration mirrors their view it has been most of successful. charles: i disagree. trump has been successful on most of of the things he has done. and that's just where they happen to be on the same page. >> immigration was quite a dust-up. charles: almost everybody who won in gop pry mayor yet is are trump candidates. >> that is the point i was trying to make about a diane black. you can cloak yourself in him but it won't work if you have been in washington for 20 years. a d.c. based federal judge ordered the trump administration to restore in full the deferred action ' daca. maybe we'll be back in this appeal rollercoaster thing. >> if i were a trumper or gop candidate i would be sticking to the economy. we have a different dynamic in the primaries. but in the general election immigration will galvanize democratic turnout and that's a big risk. >> it depends on where you are. i was watching a rally in pennsylvania. tomorrow he'll go to ohio. it's not the same as g

charles koch of the koch brothers said that tariffs are quote-unquote ridiculous. lament their impact on foreign workers rather than discuss the american middle class which was withering under those three presidents and which is now growing once again. and the koch brothers making it impossible for the middle class to grow, if you listen to their policies and follow their practices. >> what they don't say is the tariffs are imposed under the trade act of 1974 to stop the taking of intellectual property. and we have an opioid crisis. lou: trump was the first to bring it up on the campaign trail. >> you have the decimation of the u.s. factory sector. i think it's largely, you go through a lot of towns in the united states that have been thrown on their backs because of factories moving elsewhere. clearly that's connected with the opioid crisis. those opioid come from chinese gangs. lou: coming in by deadly doses and brought in through mexico as well just to keep -- make it global with the chinese production and distribution. and of course the mexican cartels deliveri

charles koch of the koch brothers said that tariffs are quote-unquote ridiculous.hen to lament their impact on foreign workers rather than discuss the american middle class which was withering under those three presidents and which is now growing once again. and the koch brothers making it impossible for the middle class to grow, if you listen to their policies and follow their practices. >> what they don't say is the tariffs are imposed under the trade act of 1974 to stop the taking of intellectual property. and we have an opioid crisis. lou: trump was the first to bring it up on the campaign trail. >> you have the decimation of the u.s. factory sector. i think it's largely, you go through a lot of towns in the united states that have been thrown on their backs because of factories moving elsewhere. clearly that's connected with the opioid crisis. those opioid come from chinese gangs. lou: coming in by deadly doses and brought in through mexico as well just to keep -- make it global with the chinese production and distribution. and of course the mexican cartels de

that was charles koch. charles koch. he's actually a nice guy. members of my clubs. david and charles koch. he says donald trump doesn't take care of foreign workers. he's right. i want to take care of the american workers. i want to be america first. okay? [cheers and applause] but america's economic surrender ended the day i took office, folks. now after years of rebuilding foreign countries, we are finally read building our country -- we are finally read building our country. the. the great patriot from the our country. william mckinley from ohio was a great president. he understood the crucial importance of tariffs in maintaining a very strong country. people that followed him went down at great presidents because one in particular as you know, because he was given an economic behemoth created by mckinley. mckinley said we ought to take care of our own nation and her industries first. we want to help other people. but we don't want to help other people that are rich and not have them reimburse us. they are taking care of their military, we are taking care of thei