before that kofi annan, who is now the chairperson of the elders, was the envoy for peace in syria. so in many ways, the elders have remained quite deeply involved in the struggle for peace. we have a few characteristics -- first of all, none of us are involved in politics directly. many people have described us as has been politicians. we have had important positions in the past, but one of our requisites for membership is we don't hold any public office. one member stepped down when she was elected to the parliament. that's one of, i'd say, opening to freedom. we go where we wish, we meet with whom we wish and say what we wish. so that has given us an pportunity not only to meet, as we wish, with the leadership in hamas. and we also request to north korea to try to bring some better resolution -- relationships with north korea. i need not go down the list of the things we go. we go where we wish. so we have an insight which we always share at the end of our sessions with leaders who are directly involved and still holding public office. and that includes the president and secretar