this delegation in moscow, it's clear he handed it over to special bams ambassadors, kofi annan is a political animal and can't forget it. he takes care there's less wars sp and more stability in the world. that was his concern, worry about it personally. he asked me to tell me how to see the situation and how to manage to agree with john. it was yesterday in the evening, but it was clear that it was -- we were towards an agreement, we were moving towards an agreement, which has to be to get some legal obligations at the hague and new york. i told them honestly we're very concerned about the attempts to undermine any efforts which are directed to pacify the situation to remove some aspects, including what you have mentioned. we try to talk about that with john. i told him that in our negotiations the most critical moment of negotiations, we suddenly saw on the tv screens information that ban ki-moon from the u.n. had the report of the incident will be presented on monday. that he cannot disclose the content, but it will say clearly in this report that the chemical weapons were used,

we know that over the past few minutes, kofi annan, the former united nations secretary- general, was involved in the talks as he has just left. bear in mind, if there's a deal done, the americans would like to stitch it into the text of the united nations resolution. what they like to keep on the table because of oars in the event of the rio noncompliance with the deal? if that were the case, that would be a huge stone they've dropped. but on the positive front, they are still in geneva, and they are still talking. >> thank you very much for that update. the war in syria is already having a knock on effect in neighboring countries. jordan and lebanon are taking in thousands of refugees every day. >> many fear the conflict could have implications for their national security. our correspondent sent us this report. >> the syrian crisis is the story that has been making all the headlines in israel for weeks. public opinion in jerusalem is split between those who favor a diplomatic solution and those calling for military intervention in serbia -- syria. >> i oppose the way obama is handli

successful because the regime has not complied with any of the tenets put forth by people like kofi annan or locked up brahimi or soda and. also they don't want somebody here qatar what we're seeing what we are saying and i'm here here i'm here to represent the local coordination committees and the syrian people not saudi arabia not qatar not russia not the united states was here and then against him he's against we just against the war that's what i'm just again you are against war and so i would like to hear i would like to hear your views about dust pot who launches chemical weapons and scud missiles. what is your ingenious when you think i'm going to. wear and say anything and i add what you're going to get my go ahead. jump in who so you're going to question what i'm going to let you go there and speak. gareth. ok i'd like to just pose this this problem that we are looking at in syria in light of historical precedents i'm old enough to remember vietnam no vietnam is a case where. or you had a regime you know that was in power supported by foreign foreign forces i.e. the united states

framework for example like the bright he mean or kofi annan supply so is it really the americans you know is it in their capability to push them for going to geneva talks we don't know i think this will have to be done through the major regional players or atoms like the saudis and like the turks and those people actually control more of the forces on the ground because they are the ones who are supplying them with fund with intelligence and with military equipment much more than the americans are doing but is it in the interest of the saudis and the turks to actually go one with such an agreement and having to live with the syrian government for decades to come or the current sitting government for years to come i don't think so so the americans have a fair bit of you know playing to do in order to convince the regional parties are playing a. political analyst are not walk out thank you very much indeed thank you very much larry. program accusations its army and all treated a group of european diplomats and human rights activists in the west bank on friday they were accompanying an

the meeting with kofi annan i think john met it with even a swell coffee. was not then figure he doesn't have fists per se but he's their respective politician he's a member of the so-called wise men he participates in the foundation set up by dead turner and recently lost his wife is a dead moscow as part of this foundation's activities and we had a meeting with him of course since he is dead as a special. representative for syria and with mr brahimi got this position. which political animal speak and he carries a very a much. wars around the world he wants peace and stability and he's met is. concerned him very much and when he had a meeting with me here to me about our vision and progress in our talks with john this was late night it was clear that we were very clear to reaching an agreement which we. announced today a little later we put on paper in new york in the hague i told him that we are very much concerned by attempts to undermine any efforts. taken to calm down the situation. and remove certain problems related to the syrian crisis including tho

successful because the regime has not complied with any of the tenets put forth by people like kofi annan or locked up brahimi or sodium. ok also they don't want somebody here qatar what we're seeing what we are saying and i'm here here i'm here to represent the local coordination committees and the syrian people not saudi arabia not qatar not russia not the united states was here and then against him he's against we are going to guess. what ok i'm just again you are against war and so i would like to hear i would like to hear your views about dust pot who launches chemical weapons and scud missiles. what is your is making of this when you think i'm going to syria. where in ca i mean so i added what you're going to get my go ahead. do you jump in who so you're going to question what time i'm going to let you go there and speak. here. ok i'd like to just pose this this problem that we are looking at in syria in light of historical precedents i'm old enough to remember vietnam no vietnam is a case where. you had a regime you know that was in power supported by foreign foreign forces i.e. th

is in fact a possible process already in existence it's been there for a long time there's the kofi annan plan and the suggestions for a geneva conference world has been preventing that process from going forward is the intransigent demand of the rebels that mr resign as a precondition for talks and the support that intransigent position gets from scientists powerful outsiders including certain members of the u.s. administration now who we have got to move beyond that point to proper negotiations what needs to happen is three things chemical design and there's a process already underway hopefully that will now happen second a proper investigation of what actually happened on the twenty first of august and who's been using these weapons and third and most important of all a proper negotiation over the sort that has already been discussed many times which russia supports which mr ass out has agreed to and which the rebels should be asked to come around to ok mark a very good point there but the rebels are furious ok i can't use the kind of language on television the way they feel right now

previously, to nelson mandela and kofi annan. they said snowden needs to be honored for shedding light on the systemic infringements by u.s. and european secret services. and the award will be handed out next month. >>> and there's michael from last night's fight. >> every fight has controversy in the ring and out of it. four days of heavy criticism. 64-year-old veteran boxing judge, ross, is stepping down. saying that she will not score any fights in the immediate future, and has not made a decision whether to quit permanently. >>> in the nfl, bad news for one of the earlier contingents for the super doppler. he suffered an injury it his left foot. and it required season ending surgery >> reporter:. >> in baseball, a new baltimore ooriole record last night. during the peak of the baseball steroid era in the 1990s. we'll have more sports news coming up in 20 minutes. >> michael, appreciate it. for decades, republicans had had it their own way in texas. but a massive grassroots campaign is hoping to change that. group called battl

. >> bob, i think back to a year ago when kofi annan was there and they made a cease-fire deal and thatly broke apart even though the regime made various promises and continued their attack on holmes. someone that used to work in intelligence, bob, how reliable do you know is our intelligence on where syria's chemical weapons are and how much they have? i've heard estimates all over the map. >> anderson, i can answer that question and tell you what we know. their stuff is very good. vx and sarin, very sophisticated. we reached a high level, but we were never able to monitor the actual quantity produced. if they should produce records now, we would have no way to verify those are correct. >> that's what we would have to rely on, correct? the syrian regime's -- >> not really. >> no? >> the interesting thing about records of production, it's very hard to fake. there is inputs, there is production, there is intermediate products and we proved in the case of iraq that tried to lie about production, that if you get the numbers you can detect that. it's like a complex accounting effort. it rea

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conflict began, but from the beginning, they have been lying and, you know, using when secretary kofi annan there, negotiating with him on the one hand and intensifying attacks on the other hand. >> yeah, i think that is eventually going to work against assad. if he continues to play that kind of game, he'll find himself in the position where milosevic was in, where nobody trusted anything he said including when the russians acted as guarantors for his word. and if that is the case, if we were to move toward military action again, there would be a much broader consensus behind it. >> when we hear about them moving these chemicals, before we'd talked about how dangerous it can be to move chemical weapons to make them leave the country in order to destroy them. what is so dangerous about the idea of moving them around? and does that raise a concern for you? >> it does raise a concern, anderson because, in fact, the road network and while you're moving these weapons, they're the most vulnerable to ambush an attack. the syrian road network is not secure. it's neither secure physically because i

kofi annan said every effort must be made to revent further blood shed and put an end to the conflict that has brutalized syria. and they are no nouri nouri ali said the hasty actions part response will be held accountable. >> it may start out to be a pinpoint cruise missiles strike, but it could escalate. now we are the former foreign secretary unfortunate unite unid kingdom, david owen said what starts small ends up large. and finally, john, it's worth noting the vast majority of the american people are against the strike on syria. of ten people asked six people say no, do not go ahead. >> john thank you for putting things in perspective for us tonight. thank you very much. >>> another congressional hearing on syria again. code pink is asking the congress not to take action. they interrupted a senate hearing yesterday. >>> medea benjamin is the founder of code pink and she joins us from our nation's capitol. >> thank you, good seeing. >> you thank you. >> what do you hope to accomplish. >> we represent the 60% of those who say this is crazy. this is not a priority of the united stat

secretary-general and enjoy for syria kofi annan after he met today. >> it's constructive, positive and i hope we get something really constructive out of it. the stakes are high and everybody realizes that. >>> good day, i'm andrea mitchell in geneva where secretary of state meets with foreign minister on the syrian crisis trying to get past the tension that erupted on the first day of talks. as taliban attacked u.s. consulate in iraq, afghanistan, a lot happening on the foreign front p joining me "washington post" diplomatic correspondent ann gearen, terrorism expert michael leiter. first of all these talks did not start on a happy note. a lot of tension. why? >> it started yesterday and it's really because the two sides, u.s. and russia are coming at it from a different standpoint. russia wants this to be about stopping any chance of u.s. military action. secretary kerry is here on orders from president obama to make it really mean something by which they think they have to keep up the pressure on military axe. right from the get go they were at a bit of a loggerheads. you sensed tha

you know, at that time the secretary-general of the u.n., kofi annan was critical of the fact that countries went around the security council. he was equally critical of the security council for being paralyzed. >> this secretary-general said yesterday he highlighted the fact that under the u.n. convention, which obviously we are a party to, there are two legitimate bases under the legitimate convention for act of force. one is in self-defense, the other is through the u.n. security council resolution. neither applies here, is he wrong? >> chris, what we have here is something that in our judgment is very legitimate, because we have, as i said, a norm that's been around for nearly 100 years. against the use of chemical weapons, if we don't stand up for it, if other countries don't stand up for it, the norm will be gutted. and we will see two things happen. we'll see assad continue to use these weapons with impunity, and we'll see other countries in the region and beyond who have such weapons or aspire to get them, come to the conclusion that it's okay to use them. and nothing will happen. >>

there was that kofi annan plan th that called for the regime to withdraw from certain areas.idn't live up to that either. so no belief the syrian government will allow the international community full control over its chemical weapons. they say this is a stall tactic which the united states and other countries should not fall for. >> joining me now is florida congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz. great to have you here. a lot of fast moving parts. you have come out publicly supporting any strikes on syria. what do you make of the, now, proposal of syria saying it will agree to russia's idea to put their chemical weapons under international control? >> well, as the expression goes, trust but verify. we have to make sure we reverse it and say let's verify, then trust. then what president obama has always said throughout this conflict is that our first priority and our strong preference is to make sure we facilitate a diplomatic solution. the credible threat of a limited military strike has brought syria and russia to the point where they for the first time have, one, acknowle

syrian regime, a regime which has lied repeatedly, which had said there would be a peace deal with kofi annangime that said there would be referendums and open protests allowed and was repeatedly lied over the last two years, do you believe they would actually be willing to give up chemical weapons? >> not at all. they are just playing with time. they are just buying time. this is a regime that if it says good morning, believe me, it is evening. it has been lying even over the weather news. it cannot be true by any means no way. >> so what do you think they're doing? >> the only thing that they just wanted, they are just buying time. just believe me. think of that. how can just inspectors go in? how would they move their equipment when there is a war inside? when will the regime agree? the regime has been lying about chemical weapons for the past four or five decades saying it never had them. only a few months ago they were just denying we don't have chemical weapons. now we have them and they have the biggest stockpile in the world. now they admit that. >> so now they're not lying about chem

syrian regime, a regime which has lied repeatedly, which had said there would be a peace deal with kofi annant said there would be referendums and had said there would be open protests allowed and was repeatedly lied over the last two years, do you believe they would actually be willing to give up chemical weapons? >> not at all. they are just playing with time. they are just buying time. this is a regime that if it says good morning, believe me, it is evening. it has been lying even over the weather news. it cannot be true by any means no way. >> so what do you think they're doing? >> the only thing that they just wanted, they are just buying time. just believe me. think of that. how can just inspectors go in? how would they move their equipment when there is a war inside? when will the regime agree? the regime has been lying about chemical weapons for the past four or five decades saying it never had them. only a few months ago they were just denying we don't have chemical weapons. now we have them and they have the biggest stockpile in the world. now they admit that. >> so now they're not

now when you come to syria, maybe when kofi annan tried years ago that is when we should have put our shoulders behind his efforts. we didn't. and now it's got to the place he does nothing, he looks weak. if he does something, he probably would look rash and maybe carry off his remark and the russians have gotten off the hook. i don't know. personally i was opposed to a strike for the sort of reasons that i mentioned. >> would you join me in saying thank you to os guiness who now -- [applause] -- invites questions from the audience -- again this is national press club washington, d.c. style and the provost is here to pose the questions that you are to report the questions that you are posing for our distinguished guest. >> first in that era for the complicated issues we used to sound bites on which organs are promised, how we move towards a modern public that can deal with these issues? >> great question because the technological factors exacerbating are enormous. you take sound bites or you take say direct mail studies that have shown you put 20 letters and direct mail and just exami

when you come to syria, maybe when kofi annan had tried so hard two years ago that is when we should have put our shoulder behind his efforts and we didn't and now it has got to the place he does nothing, he looks weak, he does something, probably looks rash, maybe carries off a remark and the russians have him off the hook. i don't know. personally i was opposed to a strike for the sorts of reasons that i mentioned. >> host: join me in saying thank you to os guinness. [applause] >> host: who know invites questions from the audience. this is national press club washington d.c. style land the provost is here to pose the question that you in turn are to report the questions you are opposing for our distinguished guests. >> in an era where complicated serious issues are reduced to sound bites on which arguments are premised how do we move toward a modern public agora that can deal with these issues? >> guest: great question. the technological factors exacerbating the instability are enormous. take sound bites or you take direct mail studies have shown you put 20 letters through direct m

to me the perfect compromise would be putting qr of the united states a chance to look like kofi annana chance for everybody to reevaluate because it's not ready to be launched. today there is another story how they can't set up the exchanges. computer systems aren't ready. even the states thatçó want to get on board can't get on board. >>elisabeth: your count would say we're going to have this whole syria and economic discussion in a year. we want to do this in a year. maybe we'll be better off. >>steve: unfortunately this is no app for what is about to happen in washington. they're going to vote today. the house is going to send over something that would essentially defund obamacare, but the president has made itÑi very clear. he said, i'll veto it. and of course harry reid and company, they're not going to stand for it. it was nancy pelosi talking about the debt ceiling and this kind of has to do with the same thing. this is playing with fire. legislative arsonists are at work when they start using the debt limit for their own agenda. the democrats have done that in the past, a deli

i remember 10 years ago the same question was asked to kofi annan, and he said the attack on iraq wasillegal. in that context -- ben,was not the spokesman and that is not quite what he said. that was a completely different circumstance. we do not try to equate dissimilar things. we have no real way of knowing what the future will hold. what we are hoping for, but the secretary-general and mr. raheem me are working for, is an effort to get a peaceful solution. the odds a be difficult from time to time, but it is more urgent than ever than a peaceful solution be found. yes. ofthe reports in darfur government bombing, killing seven people, including four people, and -- four children, and i wonder if the u.n. is aware of this, can you confirm these deaths, and what is the you and doing? u.n. doing? >> we will get you an update on those details. have a good weekend everyone. >> the state department today ordered nonessential u.s. to formats to leave lebanon due to security concerns, as the administration and congress and a possible military strikes on newhboring syria in a travel warning.