>> kogan: yeah.er. >> stahl: so they've come after you, but not someone who did exactly what you did, with you. >> kogan: yes. >> stahl: and he actually works at facebook? >> kogan: correct. >> stahl: are you on facebook? >> kogan: no. they deleted my account. >> stahl: you can't be on facebook. you're banned. >> kogan: i'm banned. >> stahl: and the partner works for them. >> kogan: correct. >> stahl: what's wrong with this picture? i'm missing something? >> kogan: yeah, i mean, this is my frustration with all this, where i had a pretty good relationship with facebook for years. >> stahl: really, so they knew who you were? >> kogan: yeah. i visited their campus many times. they had hired my students. and i even did a consulting project with facebook in november of 2015. and what i was teaching them was lessons i learned from working with this data set that we had collected for cambridge analytica. so i was explaining, like, "here's kind of what we did, and here's what we learned. and here's how you c

alexander kogan linked to st.ersburg state university, kind of a link to the russian government. basically, he does research, and it was provided to cambridge analytica. he's basically saying that, you know, i actually am not the person who is in trouble here. this has to do with facebook policy. here's what he had to say to savannah guthrie earlier this morning. >> at the time, we didn't think we were doing anything wrong. it was the normal business as usual practice. i think right now, absolutely, it is viewed as wrong. now that we know how people feel about it. >> facebook called you a fraud and liar. they painted you as the culprit here. what's your response? >> my perception, it's pr spin. i think they're trying to distract people from realizing that what we did was the normal practice back then. it was a pretty friendly relationship with facebook. i had a lot of things to lose by making them upset. >> you can see that he felt he was following policy. he was doing what he thought facebook not only wanted but

you're listed as both alexander kogan and alexander spectre. can you explain that? yes, sir.rried and my wife and i decided that it didn't make sense for me to take her name, or for her to take my name. so we said let's choose a new last name. and since we're both religious and scientists, we thought the idea of light made a lot of sense. so we were looking for something related to light. then my father was sadly sick at the time and one of his surgeons at the time was named jason spectre. we thought that is a really cool sounding name. it also kneels down the theme of light, because of spectrum. and so we decided on spectre as a derivative of a spectrum, as a symbol going for it as a family. you know that spectre is the evil organisation in the bond film? it's an unfortunate coinicidence. did you know that at the time? i did not. when the controversy broke, facebook described dr kogan‘s worked as a scam and a fraud and asked him to delete the data he's obtained. in my view, facebook's comments are pr crisis mode, right? i think, i don't believe they actually think these thin

became aware in december kogan and t dr. cambridge at lit ka misappropriated data from 87 facebook users. hat's 27 months ago that you became as facebook and you personally became aware. was made notcision to notify the users. question is, did anyone at at book have a conversation the time that you became aware a this breach and have conversation where in the contact was made not to the users? mark: senator, i don't know if there were any conversations at facebook overall because i in a lot of them. >> on that subject. what other ot sure people discussed. we heard e in 2015, he report that this developer, kogan had told -- >> were you part of a decision your users?m mark: i don't remember a conversation like that. he reason why -- >> are you aware of anyone in leadership at facebook who was a conversation where a decision was made not to inform believe no r do you such conversation ever take place? >> i'm not sure whether there was a conversation about that. i can tell you the thought process of the time of the 2015 when weh

of the facebook data scandal has appeared in front of a british parliamentary committee and xander kogan is linked to the u.k. based cambridge analytic a firm it's accused of improperly accessing the information of eighty seven million users to a facebook app for how explains. well two pretty interesting bits of testimony heard from different sources of course in the facebook cambridge analytical data breach scandal first of all speaking to a parliamentary committee dr alexander kogan he's the man who produced the app that was used to harvest the data of some eighty seven million facebook users and then illegibly pass it on to cambridge analytical for use in influencing the donald trump campaign and following that swiftly it was a press conference given by cambridge analytical defending or dealing with what it described as ill informed and inaccurate speculation about the company well alexander kogan insists as he has done before that he did nothing wrong back in two thousand and fourteen both sides he said knew precisely what was going on what he was doing no one raised any objections t

at no point during these two years was facebook aware of kogan's activities with cambridge analytica. until december of 2015 we first learned kogan had broken terms of service by selling to cambridge analytica information collected via an app that he built. >> cambridge analytica issued a response on its own relationship with him saying in part dr. kogan made contractual obligations and was responsible for data protection legislation, and we took these assurances in good faith. cambridge analytica's research showed the personality types licensed by gsr/kogan underperformed compared to more traditional ways of grouping people by demographics. much more on his role when he joins the conversation coming up on "morning joe." >>> let's get a check on your weather with meteorologist bill karins. bill, some good news for once. >> a lot of good news this weekend. it was fantastic. the great lakes deserved all that snow that fell is now gone. we tracked a rainstorm. in dallas it was over you on saturday. sunday it was over new orleans. montgomery to birmingham and now a soaking rain coming for

kogan, would that be correct? >> congressman, that's correct a different developer could have built that app. >> according to politifact.com, the obama campaign and cambridge analytica both gained access to huge amounts of information about facebook users and their friends and in neither case did the friends of app users consent, closed quote. this data that cambridge analytica acquired was used to target voters with political messages, much as the same type of data was used by the obama campaign to target voters in 2012 would that be correct? >> congressman, the big difference between these cases is that -- in the kogan case, people signed into that app expecting to share the data with kogan. and then he turned around and in violation of our policies and in violation of people's expectations, sold it to a third-party firm to cambridge analytica in this case >> sure. >> i think that we were very clear about how the platform worked at the time, that anyone could sign in to an app and they would be able to bring the

kogan and cambridge analytica misappropriated data from 87 million facebook users. that's 27 months ago that you became aware. however, a decision was made not to notify the users. so my question is, did anyone at facebook have a conversation at the time that you became aware of this breach, and have a conversation where ina decision was made not to contact users. >> senator, i was in a lot of conversations overall. i'm not sure what other people discussed. at the time in 2015 we heard the report that this developer, alexander kogan sold data to cambridge analytica and that's in violation of our terms. >> were you part of the decision not to inform your use officers. >> i don't remember a conversation like that. >> are you aware of anyone in leadership at facebook who was in a conversation about not informing users. >> i'm not sure but i can tell you about the thought process. in 2015, we band the developer and demand that they delete all the data and stop using it. and the same with cambridge analytica. >> i'm talking about notification of the users. this relates t

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zuckerberg: the big difference between the cases is that, in the aleksandr kogan case, people signed on to the app expecting to share the data with him and he, in violation of our policy and of people's expectations, sold it to a third-party. sold it to camera demo the cap. .- cambridge analytica we were clear about the platform that anyone could sign into an app and bring their information and information from their friends. people had control of that. you could turn off the ability to sign apps or the ability for your friends to bring your information. the platform work the way we designed it. we know that we should have a more restrictive platform where people cannot also bring information from their friends but only their own information. whether in: violation or the agreement, users have an expectations that their information would be protective. protected -- protected, not be sold. i can certainly understand the general public outrage at their concerns regarding the way cambridge analytica require their information. if people are outraged because they use that for political rea

your testimony says that alexander kogan's app has been banned. has he also been banned? >> yes, my understanding is he has. >> so if he were to open up another account under a name, and you were able to find it out, that would be closed down? >> senator, i believe we are preventing him from building any more apps. >> does he have a facebook account still? >> senator, i believe the answer to that is no, but i can follow up with you afterwards. >> okay. and with respect to cambridge analytica, your testimony is that first you required them to formally certify they deleted all improperly acquired data. where did that formal certification take place? that sounds kind of like a quasi official thing to formally certify. what did that entail? >> senator, first they sent us an e-mail notice from their chief data officer, telling us they didn't have any of the data anymore, they deleted it and weren't using it, and later followed up with i believe a full legal contract where, they certified that they had deleted the data. >> in the legal contract? >> yes, i believe so. >> okay, a

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kogan tells "60 minutes" what he did was not right or wise. >> if i had any inkling that what we were going to do was going to destroy my relationship with facebook, i would have never done it. if i had any inkling that i was going to cause people to be upset, i would have never done it. this was the blindness we had back then. >> kogan also says what he did was not hacking because facebook created the tools for developers to collect the data. consulting firm cambridge analytica says it deleted that data which it received in 2015. >>> all right, get ready to pay more the next time you visit a gas station. gas prices rose another nine cents per gallon in the last two weeks largely thanks to the increasing cost of oil. now, prices are the highest in three years and are expected to rise through memorial day. now, experts recommend filling up early in the week because stations tend to raise prices before the weekend and look for stations that offer discounts when you pay with cash. >>> and you can put this one in the running for best internship ever. harley-davidson is hiring eight intern

professor kogan's transfer and now potentially do you believe view. do you know of any instances where user data was improperly transferred to third party in breach of facebook's terms? if so, how many times has that happened and was facebook only made aware of that transfer by some third party? >> mr. chairman, thank you. as i mentioned, we're now conducting a full investigation into every single app. that had an access to a large amount of information before we locked down platform to prevent developer from accessing this information around 2014. we believe that we're going to be investigating many apps. tens of thousands of apps. if we find any suspicious activity, we're going to conduct a full audit of those app.s to understand how they are using their data and if they are doing anything improper. if we find they are doing anything improper we will ban them from facebook and tell everyone affected. as for past activity, i don't have all the examples of apps that we have banned here. if you would like, i can have my team follow up with you after th

your testimony says that alexander kogan's app. has been banned. has he also been banned. >> yes, my understanding is he has. >> so if he were to open up another account under a name and you were able to find it out, that would be closed down? >> senator, i believe we are preventing him from building any more app.s. >> does he have a facebook account, still? >> senator, i believe the answer to that is no but can i follow up with you afterwards. >> okay. and with respect to cambridge analytica, your testimony is that first you required them to formally certify that they had deleted all improperly acquired data. where did that normal certification take place? that sounds kind of like a quay we have officia quasi offio certify. what did that entail? >> senator, first, they sent us an email notice from their chief data officer telling us that they didn't have any of the data anymore. that they deleted it and weren't using it later, we followed up with, i believe a full legal contract where they certified that they had deleted the data. >> in a legal co

with what it described as ill informed and inaccurate speculation about the company well alexander kogan insists as he has done before that he did nothing wrong back in two thousand and fourteen both sides he said knew precisely what was going on what he was doing no one raised any objections then he says he's being made a scapegoat by facebook that describes him as a liar and a fraud his product as a scam and cambridge analytical that says the data he produced was in effect will take a listen to this exchange from the briefing in which the committee suggests that his motivation may in the end have been commercial game essentially the payments. apart from two to thirty thousand for your role in this was to keep the data exactly much you could then use you in your academic life or perhaps that was part of the deal only that was the deal i was rewarded with data ok you say that evidence that you've got some. university ethics approvals for all your academic work. did you have university approval for for that deal for the commercial it's not yours so there's no real now can isn't for a comp

given by a spokesman clarence mitchell for cambridge analytical in which he stressed that none of dr kogan zz data had been used in any political campaigning he said that cambridge analytic had only a brief five month tenure with the donald trump campaign he said it had never worked for either side in the brig's it campaign take a listen. the company has been portrayed in some quarters is almost some bond villain cambridge analytical is no bond villain whilst no laws were broken we have acknowledged where mistakes have been made and a full independent first to go shouldn't being conducted by a q.c. is being conducted as we speak well mr mitchell described cambridge analytic as a fantastic world leading data science company he said the media outlets leading the coverage against it were doing so because of a political agenda so it's come on the news hour i mean to turn to the streets of kiev around this time marching to mourn the country. and we ask questions them back to this is garment industry five years on from the factory does that they claim one thousand one hundred lives. how low well

aleksandr kogan, a researcher at the university of cambridge, who lawfully ran a personality test on facebook in 2014 to collect the data of millions of americans. but according to facebook broke company policy when he shared that information with political consultancy cambridge analytica. >> so at the time i thought we were doing everything that was correct. i was kind of acting haonestly naively. i thought we were doing everything okay. >> reporter: kogan telling "60 minutes" what he did on the social network was a common occurrence among researchers. his quiz downloaded about 270,000 times, according to facebook, put as many as 87 million users' information at risk. >> people signed into that app expecting to share the data with kogan, and then he turned around and in violation of our policies and in violation of people's expectations sold it to a third-party firm, to cambridge analytica in this case. >> reporter: the information including everything from user locations to genders to interests, as well as information on their friends, potentially valuable in swaying voters with ta

with what it described as ill informed and inaccurate speculation about the company well alexander kogan insists as he has done before that he did nothing wrong back in two thousand and fourteen both sides he said knew precisely what was going on what he was doing no one raised any objections then he says he's being made a scapegoat by facebook that describes him as a liar and a fraud his product as a scam and cambridge analytical that says the data he produced was in effect will take a listen to this exchange from the briefing in which the committee suggests that his motivation may in the end have been commercial game essentially the payments on the part and soon to be thirty thousand for your role in this was to keep the data exactly much you could then use you in your academic life or perhaps that was part of the deal and i mean that was the deal i was rewarded with data ok you say whether it's that you've got some you've had a universe yes it's approvals for all your academic work yes or. did you have university approvals for for that deal for the commercial it's not yours so there's

kogan. would that be correct? >> congressman, that's correct. different developer could have built that app. >> okay. now, according to plit can a fact.com and this is a quote, the obama campaign and cambridge analytica both gained access to huge amounts of information about facebook users and their friends and in neither case did the friends of app users consent. closed quote. this data that cambridge analytica acquired was used to target voters with political messages much as the same type of data was used by the obama campaign to target voters in 2012. would that be correct? >> congressman, the big difference between these cases is that in the kogan case, people signed into that app expecting to share the data with kogan and then he turned around and in violation of our policies and in violation of people's expectations sold it to a third party firm, to cambridge analytica in this case. >> sure. >> i think that we were very clear about how the platform worked at the time, that anyone could sign into an app and they would be able to bring thei

you're right, mistakes were made, contractual issue, kogan may have misbehaved. we've heard i'm sorry from silicon valley over and over again. i'm wary of overregulation because i don't want to cement the incumbents on this issue, any way that i want to cement the incumbents on any of the issues that we work on, but i do think that we've sen a -- seen a disrecord -- disregard for the individual and their control of data and the disregard for perhaps the seriousness of the bargain. what i've seen in corporate america, we have controls and regulations on everything from supply management to money laundering. when we think that something is important we regulate it and we say this is how to behave. these are at least the basic standards of behavior. this is simply a new issue and industry and i agree it's an inflection point for the unruly teenager of the internet commute to say we've got some responsibility to the people we serve our customers, and i think some of the reason the data is shared is not only toer is of, but it's important toer is of the customer and a

"in october of 2015, kogan had a brief consulting contract with facebook.no point during these two years was facebook aware of kogan's activities with cambridge analytica. it was not until december of 2015 that we first learned kogan had broken facebook's terms of service by selling to cambridge analytica facebook information collected via an app he built. claij -- cambridge analytica said this. "dr. cogan made contractual commitments to cambridge analytica that gsr was responsible for compliance with data protection legislation and we took these assurances in good faith. cambridge analytica's research showed that the personality types licensed by gsr kogan underperformed to more traditional ways of grouping people by demographics. mike barnicle? >> alex, a few minutes ago you were talking about a group to put together that you gathered the data from and that this group was paid were they told what the data was going to be used for? >> i would say no. we were told in the terms of service that it could be used for a variety of purposes but we didn't get into

aleksandr kogan joins us now. i want to pick up where we left off there, dr. kogan. you say it wasn't technically correct. but mark zuckerberg has accused you of deceiving facebook, violating facebook policy by selling that information to third parties. your response? >> so, i think they're being a little misleading. i mean, the idea that this was a hack is flat-out wrong. it's like imagine a warehouse. we didn't break in, we went on amazon and ordered the data and they delivered it to us. this is a key feature of their system. >> you weren't supposed to sell it, right? >> so even that is a little silly. because if you go and look at facebook apps right now, most have language they say -- they can transfer the data to third parties. so it's a bit like working in a building and everybody is bringing in their dogs. you bring in your dog and your dog pees in the wrong place and management is now saying, how could you bring your dog? with have a clear no pet policy. i'm just looking around and thinking what about everybody else? >> everyone does it isn't necessarily a de

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to the facebook data misuse scandal is appearing before a british parliamentary committee alexander kogan is linked to the u.k. based cambridge analytic a firm that is being accused of improperly accessing the information of nearly nineteen million users through facebook john a whole joins us live now from london so general what more do we know about alexander tobin what's he been saying to the committee. well he's speaking to the committee at the moment are in this is an opportunity of course for them for everyone really to hear from the man who effectively is the sort of missing link the middleman in this whole scandal who connected to facebook and cat again reach out a little go through an app that he created that harvested the information the personal information of some eighty seven million facebook users and then passed it on to the british based political data consultancy cambridge analytic of the use in developing so-called psychographic models to influence and predict the voting behavior of voters principally in the us democrat as the us election and former c.e.o. of cambridge an

fromine: fascinating kogan.dr potentially data kogan.entially data was manipulated, and therefore we saw it affect the outcome of the 2016 presidential election. aleksandr kogan, the academic the heart of this, flatly denies, that this didn't help win the election for donald trump. he said notably the data was used to help the trump campaign. it cruz's campaign have used and was dissatisfied with it. it is not efficient micro-targeting. why? you would not use the data he ran to run political ends on facebook. he said, to be efficient, you use facebook's own tools, you don't build your own. that was really notable. what was notable was the fact ok,t she was saying, lo facebook should have known i was pacing on data to -- passing on data to third parties. the terms and conditions of the app that it will go on to third parties. he said many companies do that . loose claims in their terms of conditions, and therefore data can be passed on to third parties. he is saying, it is not just me, i am being unfairly targeted. tens of thousands of de

kogan took from facebook and now a lot of the air is coming out of this controversy. and then, of course, people learned, well, guess what? the obama campaign four years ago got similar access to friend data and sent political messages to the people who signed up to their friends. so, where does that leave us? i think cambridge analytical is a bit of a red herring and i don't think that we should understand all of these issues through the prism of this one mistake. >> i agree with the last point while it's highly politicized and highly charged, these tools data sets can be used for or against a particular candidate. i don't think that the air is going out of this controversy. i've never seen such a prolonged attention to a data mismanagement issue. yes, you're right, mistakes were made and contractual issue and kogan may have misbehaved. we've heard i'm sorry from a bunch of ceo's in silicon valley, over and over and over again. and i'm wary of this because incumbentsy on this, but i think we look at the own individual and autonomy and their data. and perhaps a disreg

this he's referring tos is alex kogan.an app that harvested tens of millions of facebook users, but this morning kogan is firing back saying he's not the only twoun blame in this fight. >> pretty powerful pr spin but it's exactly that. i think our folks need to understand that this was business as usual as far as facebook developers went. i'm a summary. i had a long relationship with them. and i had a lot to lose by trying toeninger them. so when i did this project, we didn't think we were doing anything wrong. we didn't think facebook was ever going to be upset. i wasn't doing it for money, i thought it was because it would give us a great readership. but there are so many companies collecting more data that don't care about the relationship with facebook. facebook has no akigt for their data whatsoever. >> i have my dear friend and chief content officer and author of the new book you've got to pick up "love rules" how to find a real relationship in a digital world. janet, you've studied the impact of the digital media. a

said that he to be instrumental in electing donald trump well i was alexander kogan being probed here by this committee that has heard from facebook and cambridge i live and a little before he insists he did nothing whatsoever wrong that can that facebook was totally aware of what he was doing that cambridge analytical ensured him should in that it was doing nothing illegal and yet he is in his words being scapegoated by both as scrutiny amounts against that well the committee scrutinizing him indeed alexander koch and looking at his methods and motivations in particular looking at the extent to which he may have been motivated by commercial interests because he was being paid not in money for these ads but b. being allowed to keep the data for his own future use he had a couple of largely failed companies it has to be said said that it attempted to monetize personal data that aspect of it would give him essentially a motivation perhaps and then the methodology has been suggested by the committee that he was less than honest that he misrepresented the nature of the app that people usi

well xander kogan is the sort of missing link if you like the middleman between facebook and the cambridge analytic of the cambridge psychology academic who produced the app that was used to extract all of this data and information from facebook users crucially not just the users who downloaded the app for the exchange of a couple of dollars each but also all of their friends accumulating this vast data set of information which he then passed on in a separate arrangement to cambridge analytical which they used to develop their psychographic models allegedly effective in perhaps weighing the u.s. presidential election well alexander kogan insists he did nothing wrong he's being targeted he says scapegoated by both facebook and cambridge and a little girl who claim that they weren't entirely aware of how the information was gathered and b what it use it was eventually going to be put to the denies all of that and the committee probing his motivation and methodology looking at his perhaps commercial interests or motivations he had a couple of companies that he'd set up to use personal data fo

given by a spokesman clarence mitchell for cambridge analytical in which he stressed that none of dr kogan zz data had been used in any political campaign he said that cambridge analytic had only a brief five month tenure with the donald trump campaign he said it had never worked for either side in the brig's it campaign take a listen. the company has been portrayed in some quarters is almost some bond villain cambridge analytical is no bond villain whilst no laws were broken we have acknowledged where mistakes have been made and a full independent verse to goshen being conducted by a q.c. is being conducted as we speak well mr mitchell described cambridge analytic as a fantastic world leading data science company he said the media outlets leading the coverage against it were doing so because of a political agenda dozens of people have been killed in afghanistan as eisel and the taliban tried to do you will upcoming elections sixty died in the licenses side bombing at a voter registration center in kabul on sunday in bad kids five and six army officers protecting a registration center were

not only have we were in them a letter asking them to provide evidence against aleksandr kogan. came rate university at the time they are . also saying, we did publish evidence against aleksandr findings of our data and research since 2013. emily: we know that a facebook executive will be testifying in the u.k. in a few weeks. how will it be different from what we have seen here in the u.s.? alex: i think there were a lot of lawmakers asking questions and they were constrained by time. it was very hard to pose follow-up questions. in the u.k. that is not going to be the case. there are fewer people in the select committees, and some more time. i think that gives him a far greater opportunity to take into hopefullygritty and get more substantial answers, which mark zuckerberg was not able to deliver in the states. emily: that was bloomberg's alex webb and caroline hyde. that does it for this edition of the "best of bloomberg technology." we will bring you the latest of tech during the week. tune in every day, 5:00 p.m. in new york, 2:00 p.m. in san francisco. that is all for now.

to the facebook data misuse scandal has appeared before a british parliamentary committee alexandre kogan is linked to the u.k. based cambridge analytical firm which is of course accused of improperly accessing the information of eighty seven million users through facebook app john has been following that from london. but xander kogan is the sort of missing link if you like the middleman between facebook and the cambridge analytic of the cambridge psychology academic who produced the app that was used to extract all of this data and information from facebook users crucially not just the users who downloaded the app for the exchange of a couple of dollars each but also all of their friends accumulating this vast data set of information which he then passed on in a separate arrangement to cambridge analytical which they use to develop their psycho's graphic models allegedly effective in perhaps weighing the u.s. presidential election well alexander kogan insists he did nothing wrong he's being targeted he says scapegoated by both facebook and cambridge and the little guy who claim that they

they gave this to professor kogan, who had his own contractual position. there's probably a conflict over the contractual control. they go to cambridge analytica outside their terms and cambridge analytica represents to this day that they deleted the data. why is there such a controversy about that. a former employee appears and it has the data, i took the data. cambridge analytica suited that gentleman. he had taken aspects of their company. demanding he delete the data. occurred.mistake that you can have all the laws in place in those types of mistakes would still occur. i think the cambridge analytica --ries people thought we had donald snag in yet another think people are learning the facts that donald trump does not use cambridge analytica data. people learned, the obama campaign four years ago got similar access to friends data and send political messages to the people who signed up to their friends. so, where does that leave us? i think cambridge analytica is a red herring. i don't think we should understand all these issues through the prism of thi

the other is in order -- wasexander kogan alexander kogan able to get both sets of data or what was entered by the user? >> that is a good question. it was just a subset of what was entered by the person. 95the subset of the categories of data that you keep? >> yes. , theyou sign into and app developer has to -- including public information like your name and profile, other interests, the developer has to disclose that upfront. >> ok. in answer to a couple of other questions, specifically senator fischer, you talked about facebook storing this data. if outside of the way washich alexander kogan able to access this data whether facebook could be vulnerable to a data breach or hack? wire why not? -- why or why not? >> there are many security threats that a company like our space. including people -- >> if you believe you have been hack, do you believe you would have the duty to inform those impacted? >> yes. >> ok. alexanderw whether kogan sold any of the data he collected. anyone other than cambridge analytica? >> he sold it to a couple other firms. >> can you identify the? unoya.re is one c

let's fast-forward to now. >> alexander kogan is with us from london. good morning to you., savannah. >> this story can get real technical real fast. let's try to make it as simple as possible. you, in many tellings of this story, are the original bad guy. you took the data and sold it to cambridge analytica, the political firm. was it wrong to do that? were you wrong? >> at the time, we didn't think we were doing anything wrong. that was the normal business as usual practice. right now, it's viewed as wrong, now that we know how people feel about it. >> when you say it was the normal practice, you're saying that's how things were really done. it was clear. facebook says you are not to sell this data and yet, you sold the data. >> the amazing thing about facebook's policy, it's presented to developers just like terms of service are presented to the users, hard to find, easy to miss. most companies, if you go and look at apps right now, they have language that is in direct contradiction to that exact clause. so, arguing that's actually facebook's policies, fascinating. if yo

alexandermony said kogan's app has been banned, has he also been banned? mark: my understanding is yes. open an was able to account with another name come up with that the able to be closed down? have prevented him from building anymore apps? >> does he still have an account? believe the answer is no, but i can follow up with you afterwards. >> your testimony is that first you required cambridge analytica to certify they deleted all properly acquired data. where did that certification take place? that sounds like a quasi- official thing to certify. what did that intel? entail? mark: they sent a notice telling us they didn't have the data anymore and it were not using it. later we followed up with a full legal contract with a certified that they had deleted the data. >> in a legal contract? mark: yes, i believe so. >> and you said you ultimately banned cambridge analytica. who exactly is banned? whatif they opened up island analytica and the different corporate form and send enterprise? with that enterprise also be banned? mark: that is the intent. analytic

modeled for all voters of interest shall not just the kogan sample/seders. k o o -- kogan is a reference to the professor who developed the program that stole all of these documents. so among the internal documents that were taken by this whistle blower and handed over to the british parliament, among those documents is a whole big section of communications at cambridge analytica about the bolton project and the bolton data and meetings with the bolton people. that's all about john bolton, whose super pac was megafunded to the tune of multi-million donations from trump donor robert mercer. and what bolton's pac did with mercer's donations is in large part he spent those dollars with robert mercer's company, cambridge analytica, who was, at the time, testing out its new techniques about how they were going to use all these tens of millions of stolen data files from facebook users and turn them around and use them in an election on we behalf of republican candidates. and you can see in these documents from the whistle blower, cambridge analytica, hustling to g

written them a of march,k on the 21 asking them, desiring them to provide evidence against aleksandr kogan there at the time. they are saying, we did publish findings of our data and research since 2013. you should know about this. emily: last quick question, alex. we know that a facebook executive will be testifying in the u.k. in a few weeks. we have 30 seconds left. how will it be different from what we have seen here in the u.s.? >> i think there will be -- the problem was there were a lot of lawmakers asking questions and they were constrained by time. they had four minutes today, five minutes yesterday each. that is very little. it meant it was very hard to pose follow-up questions. in the u.k. that is not going to be the case. there are fewer people on each select committees, and some more time. that gives them a far greater opportunity to really dig into the nitty-gritty and hopefully get more substantial answers, which mark zuckerberg was not able to deliver today. emily: that was bloomberg's alex webb and caroline hyde. and that does it for this edition of the "best of bloomberg

professor kogan is said to have taken data from over 70 million americans.t also has been reported that he sold this data to cambridge analytica for $800,000. cambridge analytica then took this data and created a psychological welfare tool to influence the united states elections. in fact the ceo of alexander nix, that came bridge analyst can ran all the digital campaign, the television campaign and its data, informed all the strategy for the trump campaign. the reporting has also speculated that cambridge analytica works with the internet research agency to help russia identify which american voters to target with its propaganda. i'm concerned that press reports indicate facebook learned about this breach in 2015 but appears to have taken significant steps to address it until this year. this hearing is important. i appreciate the conversation we had yesterday and i believe that facebook through your presence hear today, and words you are about to tell us will indicate how strongly your industry will regulate and or reform the platforms that they control. i

professor kogan is said to have taken data from over 70 million americans. it is also been reported that he sold this data to cambridge analytica for $800,000. cambridge analytica then took this data and created a psychological welfare tool to influence the united states elections. in fact, the ceo alexander nicks declared that cambridge analytica ran all of the digital campaign, the television campaign and its data informed all of the strategies for the trump campaign. the reporting has also speculated that cambridge analytica works with the internet research agency to help russia identify which american voters to target, with its propaganda. i'm concerned that press reports indicate facebook learned about this breach in 2015. but it appears not to have taken significant steps to address it until this year. so this hearing is important and i appreciate the conversation we had yesterday. and i believe that facebook through your presence here today and the words you're about to tell us will indicate how strongly your industry will regulate and/or reform the p

kogan's office, if i may ask? >> one specific point on this is that our audit of cambridge analytica, we've caused that in order to cede to the uk government, which is conducting its own government audit, which, of course, an investigation which -- >> with all due respect, what i'm getting at is i'd like to have the information available for the uk or u.s. law enforcement officials and i did not hear you commit to that. will you commit to the committee that facebook has not destroyed any data records that may be relevant to any federal, state, or international law enforcement investigation? >> congressman, yes. what i'm saying is that the uk government is going to complete its investigation before we go in and do our audit, so they will have full access to all the information -- >> you've suspended your audit pending the uk investigation? >> yes, we have paused it pending theirs. >> okay. so, it's my understanding that you and other facebook executives have the ability to rescind or delete messages that are on peo

kogan's office, if i may ask? >> one specific point on this is that our audit of cambridge analytica, we've caused that in order to cede to the uk government, which is conducting its own government audit, which, of course, an investigation which -- >> with all due respect, what i'm getting at is i'd like to have the information available for the uk or u.s. law enforcement officials and i did not hear you commit to that. will you commit to the committee that facebook has not destroyed any data records that may be relevant to any federal, state, or international law enforcement investigation? >> congressman, yes. what i'm saying is that the uk government is going to complete its investigation before we go in and do our audit, so they will have full access to all the information -- >> you've suspended your audit pending the uk investigation? >> yes, we have paused it pending theirs. >> okay. so, it's my understanding that you and other facebook executives have the ability to rescind or delete messages that are on peo

cambridge analytica, but i want to put the brakes on that a moment because the real issue with the koganllected under the pretense that they weren't going to be used for commercial purposes at all. there wasn't a problem with having quizes that harvested people's information lots of people were doing that are you saying these other cambridge analytica quizes were above board legit and maybe people just didn't understand how the data was being used? not necessarily against the terms of service, just that's how it worked? >> of course i think there's a very low amount of data literacy around the world. when you agreed to terms and conditions of using a facebook app, such as these quizes, which were very popular a couple years ago, personality quizes such as which disney princess are you, these were created by probably thousands of companies around the world and you agreed to giving your data when you sign in using your facebook log-in. i think it's also important to point out that that's really the tip of the iceberg facebook collection a fraction of the amount of data that companies like

of course, now we know that is exactly what happened, that in 2014 a researcher name aleksandr kogan used a survey app called this is your digital life and was able to attract 270,000 facebook users and through access to those users' friends' data able to obtain personal information, but we heard from facebook yesterday, up to 87 million facebook users. kogan then sold that data to cambridge analytica, political consulting firm that worked with the trump presidential campaign, and the brexit campaign, has bragged about influencing other political outcomes in mexico, australia and kenya, and based on recently released undercover recordings has used bribes and workers as part of its toolbox for influencing political candidates. which brings us to last month. when we learned about how cambridge analytica obtained this data. we also learned that facebook has known about kogan's passing of data to cambridge analytica since 2015 but did little to confirm that this misappropriated data had been deleted other than demanding that cambridge analytica certify it had done so. while facebook also

facebook's ceo mark zuckerberg took kogan to task >> that's a big issue. people have the right to be upset. i am upset that happened >> now kogan says he was not some bad actor but rather one of the tens and thousands of developers who were collecting and selling data from facebook platform joining us now is aleksand aleksandr kogan. >> thank you for having me >> is that how things went down? >> not quite so the reality is i am a facebook friendly. they were working with me for a long time and it was a good ally they hired my students and so the fact that i did this project, i really believe we are doing something super normal and that nothing to go wrong i thought facebook is going to be upset with it i don't do it. it was business as usual this is a normal thing to do back then. and our project unfortunately blew up and now facebook is saying hey, rogueing actor they're all out there and facebook has no accounting for it >> we talked to a lot of facebook investors as long as there is not another cambridge analytica shoe to drop, we are okay to invest in