is one of these great historical achievements, you think about the aftermath to world war ii, the kohlhepp and steel community, european community, all that. this idea that france, germany and europe would be so knitted together exekically that war would be unthinkable, for the first time again that has come into play. it is one of these moments whether the issue is china or europe, i feel that we're living in history, in ways that for decades, i don't know about you, but i just never sensed. and that is what-- . >> rose: never sensed. >> i never sensed that we were living in history. i kind of felt there were givens. we get up, there was a cold war, a structuralled international relations a one china policy. >> rose: you sense we are a time on inflection point at the global structure. >> there are fewer givens, there are fewer assumptions that hold. there are more things that are up for grabs. populations are more likely to simply say we're going to take a different course without necessarily understanding quite what they are tossing out. so i feel it in europe. i also feel it in the unit