at the same time the war of 1812 was very kohno tro veshl particularly at its inception. it became quite popular and it was controversial at the outset and opposed by federalists and federalists latched on to this idea of passion in the sense of passion as a source of sinfulness, of selfishness and even of sexual sin. they turned to the bible and turned to james 4 in the bible and federalists, ministers who opposed the war repeatedly turned to james 4 from whenst come these wars and fightings among you and come they not from lusts from your members. so federalists agreed that passions were a source of war and patriotism, but for this this was very much a negative. also two warring views of the passions. one as a source of effective action and true patriotism and the other as a war of selfishness and sin and this set up the cultural debate that surround the war. >> nicole eustice is a professor at new york university her book "the war of 1812 and the passions of patriotism." dan is joining us from springfield, missouri. go ahead. >> good morning. in regard to patriot echl,