were going to start seeing much more flexible i think, frequently kolko flexible plurilateral lizzo orbu somethig like that. that the catchphrase but we'll see much more innovation of identifying either about certain issues, fishing in the pacific ocean or whatever, or regions. were going to see pulling together a group of countries around climate, a group of countries for particularly interested in a particular issue or problem, and problem solving in those kind of new groups. >> suggest as a side question, when you at the osce, did you practice this art of convincing and that coercing, let's say, with the representative of the russian federation? i mean come out of that actual plant in practice for you? >> well -- >> did he give you ideas for this book? which i'm sure it did. >> i mean, two things in practice. one, it was somebody on my team who came to meet in the early days of the invasion in 2014 and said we could use a model like what the osce have done in the former yugoslavia. we could have mandate that would allow observers to look at the conditions, simply observers to look at