and i see senator koontz is here. and you can always make the argument against any intentional tort or criminal law with intent. well, you're going to kill something because somebody might do something carelessly or whatever. that's why we have intent. if you don't believe intent works, you're going to throw out 20% of the laws in this country. i think it's subterfuge, to be honest with you. i think it's some of the people who argue this are not really appalled by this kind of behavior that we talked about. and so they mied behind an example that wouldn't fit under the intentional clause. >> i want to be very clear that the lawyer's committee has always supported the right freedom of speech. this is not about a preference of one particular amendment over another. we are here because we believe the importance of enforcing all of these rights. and we do have these limitations on false speech. >> okay, well, thank you all. i'm going to call on the senator, but, again, i want to thank senator carden for his leadership. >>