david koresh was too.ed was, after a certain period of time, both sides just lost any kind of trust or faith in the other. period. and then it became a pissing contest. it really became a territorial thing and neither side was backing down. >> i believed in the fbi as a kid, but they became liars to me. they just became -- god, they fit the profile skrip turlly of pride and arrogance to the extreme and it was absolute power run amok. and i felt sorry for them, the agents and the people that were behaving that way. >> after four long weeks with no break in the negotiations, david koresh meets with his legal counsel. >> that marathon siege in waco, texas, it might just be that the end is now just a short distance away. >> so far today, they have had two face-to-face meetings with david koresh inside the besieged branch davidian compound. the lawyer for david koresh advised us that there had been a major breakthrough and david had agreed to exit, and he would exit as soon as he had finished writing his manusc

particular to his interpretation of islamic law and that is that he is from a particular tribe called the koresh she and in islamic law, there's something called a caliph, head of the caliphate and to be head, you have to have that lineage. osama bin laden didn't have it, baghdaddy actually does. >> so he has that, but you also note in this piece he doesn't have the support of even a majority of even the ultraradical muslims, does that -- does very a risk there in terms of how effectively he can stay in power? >> right now, he really does control the territory. he controls quite well. but there is a risk, certainly, that he would be alienating huge numbers of people, not just every day muslims who have no interest in fighting but also in the radical old guard of al qaeda. and really, the older they are, the less likely they are to be signing on to his claim to be the only true, rightful leader of muslims. >> thanks for that interview. >>> coming up next in the news.radio, the cease-fire in ukraine began with hope for peace that hope has already been fractured by fighting. >>> also, today, the wo

waco, texas, the koresh flock, and there's others. >> you use the word flocks.se flocks stay with the leader in many other cases besides this one? >> frequently. >> what is it? is it the fact that the initial commitment was so enormous that they somehow can't psychically can't afford to let it go? >> it might be that. it also could be that the devotion takes on an obsessional nature. if someone is prone to obsess, they're not going to be likely to let it go. they won't want to let it go. >> you say you could never have had in the world as many followers as you have because of the sensationalism. >> i never had any followers. i had a lot of friends. they weren't followers, they were friends. they were people that we sit down and we were honest with. we smoked grass and sit in a circle and looked at candles. you know? there was no followers, there was no leaders. >> he corrects her when she says followers and says no, no, these were friends. many of them were so afraid of him they refused to testify or cooperate with the police in any way. and a number of his "fri

she's reconstructed cult leader david koresh's skull at waco and proved that he died by a bullet woundo the head. she investigated the oklahoma city bombing and helped to identify victims of september 11th. >> barbara and i are going to go ahead. this is the time when you're getting close, adrenaline's starting to pump and you're starting to think back through your files. now, what do i remember about working a case like this? what am i going to forget? putting together a plan. [ barking ] >> the bones that had been found so far are marked with orange flags and the dogs are given their scent. >> find it, abbie, find it. >> dr. craig evaluates the condition of the bones. how bleached they are by the sun and whether they're covered in vegetation. clues as to just how long they've lain in the field. >> all you can see is the absolute tip of it. >> yeah, the grass has grown over it. >> time since death? i think with the foliage, overgrowth, and the condition of the bones, i don't think it's been more than just a couple of months. >> the bones are numbered in the order in which they're foun

, da you viknow, timothy mcveigh, te bundy, david koresh, these are all christians.ight they were criminals. anyone whoh the united the right to go anybody that come and mess with the united ld states, i think we should defent ourselves and we should start protecting the homeland. but nothing this president has done that people would support this guy. this is the most -- president o i've ever seen people disrespect. they don't even call him the president. obama. i have never seen a president be so disrespected in my entire life in this country. we'll go to an independent caller. are you there? i got to put you on hold. you got the turn that tv down. i'll try to col back to you. dean in virginia, democratic caller. hi, dean. >> caller: good morning. and thank you for c-span. on the victory front, just to e comment, it's kind of like a . game of chess. t and you have to make your moves very carefully. but it seems that some people think that victory's wearing boxing gloves and playing chess. it can't be done that way. you really have to be methodical. my question for t

william koresh, executive vice president with echo health alliance, a nonprofit that works around the at the intersection and konser ration of public health. and the editor and chief of african magazine and reporting for nyu's journalism institute. nice to have you all here. laurie, i want to start with your piece on foreign policy yesterday in which the title actually says we could have stopped this. how? >> same way we've stopped past epidemics, when it was still rural, still relatively continue find, when the strategies that had worked in one epidemic after another would have succeeded. unfortunately, by the time the world community woke up and said, wow, we have a crisis on our hands, it was well beyond the boundaries of villages and rural areas and beyond the tactical approaches that had worked in the past and had become complete economy urbanize sod the many majority of cases are in monrovia, in freetown, in the big cities. >> when you talk about that sort of the world waking up, we were here kind of screaming out early on, talking about it going on, and now i have a certain sen