joining me again are kori schake of the american enterprise institute and gideon rose.ori, what do you think of the debt ceiling crisis and do you think it gets soft. >> i'm concerned about fellow republicans about the level of government spending. but threatening to default on the nation's debt is bad governance. the right way to rein in spending is through the practice of passing authorization and appropriation bills, not threatening to default. >> kevin mccarthy's worry is he will not keep his job if he compromised. >> that is certainly a possibility. >> what did anyone talk about this in ukraine, gideon? >> no, they were concerned about their own future and less concerned about ours. i wish there was the same solidarity here that we saw in ukraine across the different parties, across politicians who might run against each other. they were still on board for the current effort and one hopes that could be a lesson for us here. >> the stakes are sky high for them. kori, you wrote a piece, a foreign affairs article that i thought the most intelligence kind of republican