differences here than we faced in kosovo? >> there's no question. i used kosovo to show that air power can be successful in degrading, and in that case, really bringing down a government. so you can't underestimate the power of air power. with the intelligence. 99.9% of the muslim community is against this. you cannot in the name of religion behead an innocent person. that's not islam, it's not christianity, it's not judaism. and the american muslim community is standing firm against isis. >> that's an important point, thank you. thank you both of you for your time tonight. >>> we're watching the senate vote on arming syrian rebels against isis. we'll bring you the results of that vote as soon as we have them. >>> still ahead, breaking news on chris christie and the bridge gate scandal. we'll tell you about sources close to the feds, and what they're saying about the investigation. also tonight, yet another nfl player arrested for domestic abuse. our brand new poll reveals whether americans think the league has fumbled its response to the scandal. >

is no parallel between today's debate and the debate on iraq in 2003, but there is a parallel with kosovo. when kosovo was an issue, with considerations similar to those that we are discussing -- not least ethnic cleansing -- the international community was able to deal with the situation without a resolution. a lot has been said about the long term, but we do not have that luxury. >> order. >> it is so easy to despair. in politics, especially, how often do we obsess about small differences rather than about the biggest challenges? too often, we are interested by the internal workings of westminster power, and we stop looking outwards. we turn away from the world and in on ourselves, but that is a mistake. our country is internationalist in outlook and, to us, all people matter, just as our neighbours and our families matter. people in iraq matter. the conflict has innocent victims who have been scared out of their homes -- women, men and children who take no part in violence but who will lose the most. isil has executed a murderous and disastrouslyec

. >> fue en kosovo. >> en kosovo ya. >> cuando estuve en conflicto en kosovo, terminando, me avisan queomo decimos. >> en eso no estÁn ustedes de acuerdo, alexis. tÚ no quisieras que puerto rico fuera un estado. >> no, en eso siempre es una de las peleas que siempre tenemos en la mesa, porque yo creo mucho en el estado libre asociado y entiendo que puerto rico es muy pequeÑo para ser independiente. yo creo que si nosotros somos estado perdemos lo que es la raÍz de puerto rico, que es nuestra bandera, son algunas cosas que nos identifican como puertorriqueÑos en el mundo entero. >> listo, y no los molesto mÁs con cosas de polÍtica ni nada personal. entremos un poquito en el mundo de la mÚsica. ¿cuÁl es el reto? ¿quÉ quieren ser en la mÚsica? >> bueno, nosotros queremos poner el nombre de alexis y fido en alto, tambiÉn representar a puerto rico en el mundo entero... >> los reyes del perreo les llaman. >> sÍ, los... >> es duro, ¿no? ¿les gusta que les llamen asÍ? >> bueno, sÍ, es que mucha gente no entiende, a veces, quizÁ escuchan perreo y se asustan porque es como una palabra... >> suena

we tried it in kosovo. we tried in desert shield. we tried it in the early stages of enduring freedom. and you've got to have good intelligence and you've got to bring american and other allied forces to bear. but it's sort of like playing chess on a three-dimensional board. you got three warring factions in syria, three warring factions in iraq and you got allies that don't act like allies sometimes, like turkey, allowing the oil to come in. isis is making 3 million a day off oil that is on the black market and cutting the turkish oil prices in half. so we've got to leverage every element of our economic diplomatic military power to win this war against islamic extremism. >> absolutely right. but talking about who we can rely on? you got the iraqi army, kurds and the free syrian army. they're talking about training maybe 5,000 syrian rebels to face isis. will that be enough? do you think those three groups can be relied on on the ground so that u.s. troops aren't? >> i think what weigh saw in kosovo -- this is very similar but far m

i served in kosovo and several other places. ust as -- i was part of one of the last groups that was supposed to go to iraq and was pulled from that because the president wanted to pull all our troops. our mission was going to train the iraqis. that created a vacuum and people need to realize that. when we did not follow through, which the general probably say it was common sense thing at least to keep an concontinue -- concontinue jenny -- we can't -- the american military, this is what we do. i know everybody doesn't want the military to be in certain places but this is what we're trained to did. >> let's let the general comment on that:, >> first of all thank you for your service. i would agree with you 100 plers. you have to have an orderly withdrawal plan whenever you go into a country. you have to have an exit strategy. but part of that exit strategy is to make sure you leave in place a government that can stand up and defend itself, a government that can survive. now, i think it's very important that as we're doing this t

i don't think there was one member of congress who knew he was going to go goo kosovo. -- go into kosovo. one thing that everyone forgets, four days of bombardments of iraq to get rid of their, theird supplies, and he did that. all of those things he could do and did. and he can do it. he has the final say on things like that. then you take george bush 43. he comes into office, he wanted immigration reform. he wanted social security reform. but 9/11 happened, and, man, he wanted to go into afghanistan, he went into afghanistan. if he wanted to go into iraq, good for him, he did it. president obama momentum have - doesn't have, i'm not so sure he really quite gets it. the only thing that sort of gave can me the idea i guess he does get it is when he was thinking of attacking syria very, very recently. that was before he decided, he decided to leave it up to the congress. he was going to leave it up to the congress, and on the next day i think vladimir putin really saved his neck, because what he did was suggest this idea about having negotiations regarding chemical weapons. anyway, but he

kosovo was created. why was there a war between the serbs and kosovo? over sharia law. it is same thing, whether it is india in egypt, in kosovo and eastern europe, what is chechnya? chechnya is, during the ottoman empire also some muslims lived in certain areas of russia and became strong enough and they wanted a separatist movement from russia today. what are they doing? they're constantly bombing, schools, killed 200 babies, starting kinder garten and go to theaters and blow up theaters. they blow up something every, now and then in russia. the chechans. ladies and gentlemen, i'm predicting we'll have a chechnya in france. we're going to have a chechnya in the united kingdom. if we don't do something today, we can have a chechnya in america. are we going to allow our grandchildren to fight the war we should fight today? are we going to let them fight from door-to-door, from school to school, from restaurant to restaurant? our grandchildren and maybe our children even? after we're all gone. and this is my question. we are not doing, even muslims a favor with appeaseme

. >> he thinks he can do what bill clinton did in kosovo and we'll bomb at 50,000 feet we'll be fine. isis first thing -- figured out, they are doing what hamas did, you'll have civilian casualtieses. >> quinnipiac poll out this week looking at the governor's race, corbett is 24 points down behind tom would feel. is it -- tom wolf. is it enough or too late? >> no it's not too late. else the only guy who taught in public school went to public school and he should be talking about this contanlt stanltly -- constantlily. the blue is state funding for education, you can see it's up under him. what he doesn't point out well enough is that the red part is the federal stimulus money. it's like your family won $25,000 in a contest. you wouldn't say i'm betting i'll win 25 grand every year and change your lifestyle. in parts of the state they used that money for fixing the roofs, doing important things, here they threw it into salaries and when that goes away they call it a cut. he has spent more money than rendell in education. >> why didn't he do that in january. >> you know, what, ink the g

so there's no parallel between the iraq debate of 2003, but there is a parallel with kosovo, because when kosovo was an issue, with very similar considerations like those that we are concerned with, not least, of course, with ethnic cleansing, then the international community without a resolution find itself able to deal with that. a lot to be said about the long term. we don't have that luxury. >> allison mcgovern. >> thank you, mr. speaker. it's so easy to despair. in politics, especially, how often do we obsess about the small differences rather than the biggest challenges. >> okay, we are going to leave the debate in the house of commons. there you just heard the speech made by the liberal democrat, part of the ruling coalition in the british government, and it's clear that all the political leaders in the parliament are backing the idea of military intervention, british military intervention in iraq, but iraq only. if you want to carry on watching that debate, you can on our website, that's on bbc.com/news. >>> now, if britain does, as expected, vote to join air strikes on islam

during the kosovo war, the u.s. carried out 95% of the missions even though all of the european countries, almost all of the nato countries committed support. but part of the problem we have here in syria is that president obama said he was going to launch air strikes in syria, and at the last minute he backed away. i know a number of countries, their concern is if they are going to get committed, if they are going to build up popular opposition back at home, are they confident that president obama is going to stick this out? if they're going to make a commitment, they want to make sure he's going to be there, so i think they're going wait and see, if he's going to carry out more -- >> what happens in the process of waiting? >> in the process, as mike pompeo said, what we're doing, we're knocking them back a bit, but we're not scoring any strategic victory whatsoever, and we have to keepa in mind and do all we can to get these allies on board. >> and congressman also said that those air strikes now happening on the

there is a long relationship here, ukrainian soldiers have fought and served in kosovo, in bosnia, and in afghanistan alongside their nato counterparts. clearly the one thing they are not doing is fast tracking the idea of nato membership for ukraine, but i expect that that is something that mr. poroshenko, who will be speaking any minute now, he will be again be calling for that. the other thing i don't think you are going to see any time soon is across eastern europe, permanent basis of nato. that's because there is an old treaty between nato and russia, which says that nato agreed not to do that. i'll told rather than the word permanent basis there will be persistence, both to deter moscow and reassure those members of nato that live on russia's border. >> thanks very much, james we'll be keeping in contact with that conference has it goes on today. thanks very much. >>> well the president of ukraine has said that he is ready to declare a ceasefire. on friday scheduled peace talks are launched in laboring belarus. rebels say they would submit to a truce if the meeting is successful.

that has been germany's involvement in kosovo and afghanistan. she said the time has come for a third exception because of the brutality of the islamic state and the threat it poses in military and humanitarian terms. she argues germany has no alternative to joining its european and international allies in sending weapons to the kurds in northern iraq. >> exceptions not everyone supports. peter also caught up with a veteran member of the opposition of the green party. with many strongly opposed, he asked whether this decision is a significant shift in german foreign policy. >> it is the first time we deliver weapons to a non-governmental institution. this is new. it is not new that germany is fueling conflicts and wars with weapons. this happened in last years. we delivered tanks and vessels to saudi arabia and qatar hoping they will help us in the fight against iran. it is not a new thing we deliver weapons into foreign conflicts. it is a new thing that we deliver weapons to a nongovernmental organization. >> what should the german government do

an extended air campaign in syria -- >> i will not pursue a prolonged air campaign like libya or kosovo >> reporter: the president may be on the verge of starting one. >> this counterterrorism campaign will be waged through a steady, relentless effort to take out isil wherever they exist, using our air power and our support from partners from forces on the ground. >> reporter: the president said no u.s. combat boots on the ground in iraq of syria. a message john kerry delivered personally today in baghdad. >> the president of the united states and other leaders of other countries have eliminated the notion of their forces being engaged in direct combat. >> reporter: still, the number of u.s. troops in iraq has been quietly rising. they may not be combat forces, but they face combat danger. just last week, there was reported gun fire aimed at the u.s. embassy in baghdad. republics have criticized the president's posture towards the threat as too cautious. >> president obama seems willfully blind to one of the key facts about the post-9/11 security apparatus. it is not self-sustaining. >>

enemies to bend them to our will and let kosovo go. gun,sortie is one machine this progression at this rate, fighterse the moderate that will take more than one year to train them. the iraqis you illustrated, we're not sure how long it will take to organize them and get enough credibility to convince the tribal leaders to come on inrd and really reengage another surge if you wish like 2008. is anall this, there endgame with no boots on the ground, no american military forces committed. we don't really understand who is on our side at the moment. their allies may come, mostly of symbolic value. not call it that when the president said it will be more akin to yemen or somalia. conflict, no american boots on the ground and so far, 190 sorties. is that serious? >> i think it's an excellent question. of the danger here is strategy and execution that is basically half measures. you're absolutely right especially as you move across the border. this is a president that has staked his claim on ending wars. invest.as not wanted to he has not use

i understand the arguments that this situation is like kosovo, that this is collective defence and that is all these different things, but we need to have a serious discussion about this issue. the only thing i would say to those who say, "well, we can make all these decisions today, it is already done and it is all very certain", is that i do not think it is very certain, including in our own supreme court. i think we would find that out if we were to go and ask it. so we should just be careful about what we do. the issue of protection is equally as important for the individual as it is for the collective approach that we are taking. i will vote for the motion today, despite the fact i think it is being badly sold. i tell government members, "you need to get your act together", because i do not think the general public understand that this motion is a component part of what is a broader developing campaign that will develop into something we might call a strategy. government members need to sell their goods a bit better. i think that i understand the motion, but what i also understand

i was on the first cruiser that launched the first missile into kosovo. they wanted us there. sure, we used their gun camera footage and it's wonderful stuff. you need to be there to talk to the airmen and talk to the soldiers. >> it's understandable why there aren't any independentble journalists in syria. it is extremely dangerous. but just one follow-up. does this footage make it look like there were massive bombing raids and huge damage when it's a fraction of what was unleashed at the height of the iraq war? >> the fact is, unless you're in a control room, unless you're on the base and you can hear the feedback, unless you can talk to the pilots and find out, you know, why can't they do that? they can't do that because the white house is controlling the message. >> on that point, fred francis, i know you've been doing reporting on this. what do you make of conflicting messages about the strategy of this war coming from the pentagon, used to cover, of course, the river. there's no question. >> over the last 48 hours, you have a combined coverage to d.o.d. the one message y

i think a kosovo contingency plan if we could give them additional funding so that they're not just flying their own crews, but can in fact fly nasa crews. >> if we elected space x as one of the providers, then i would be able to do that. which haven't selected a provider yet. you may know more than i know. i don't know that space x is the best provider. they haven't provided any human rated vehicles yet. but they're in competition, there's a blackout right now so i don't know what they're doing. we're going to select the% potential providers and we'll go with them. they may be ready before 2017, but our goal right now is to be ready by 2017. i told congress a few weeks ago, the contingency plan for rockets is years away by $10 million. and the american capability to put humans in orbit is $800 million by next year and a few years away, that's better than the contingency plan on rockets. there is no instachbt access to space on american rockets. it just ain't going to happen because we didn't pay attention, you know, years ago. >> i think part of that was congress's fault. >> i'm not going

i understand the arguments that this situation is like kosovo, that this is collective defence and that is all these different things, but we need to have a serious discussion about this issue. the only thing i would say to those who say, "well, we can make all these decisions today, it is already done and it is all very certain", is that i do not think it is very certain, including in our own supreme court. i think we would find that out if we were to go and ask it. so we should just be careful about what we do. the issue of protection is equally as important for the individual as it is for the collective approach that we are taking. i will vote for the motion today, despite the fact i think it is being badly sold. i tell government members, "you need to get your act together", because i do not think the general public understand that this motion is a component part of what is a broader developing campaign that will develop into something we might call a strategy. government members need to sell their goods a bit better. i think that i understand the motion, but what i also understand

and shep, it's not going to be like it was in kosovo or desert storm in 99 or iraq in 2003. we don't have that kind of target infrastructure to deal with here this, is isis moved a country and established themselves. it's not a state they call themselves a state. targets are going to be limited in scale. and as long as we have targets, we'll be able to go after them they'll do everything they can but despite best efforts, it cannot be accomplished 100% we have confidence we're not going to hurt civilians in doing it. so no one can tell how long this campaign is going to go on. it depends on how much targets we have available. we're striking offensively targets in iraq, and also in syria. and that bodes well for this offensive against isis. we know and you've discussed it, that this will not be decisive in terms of destroying and defeating isis. >> what kind of level of concern do you have that this will be motivation for more to join in isis, it will be seen a cross the region as well, here comes the united states. many have argued you don't cutoff heads of two citizens of t

turkey, iran, denmark, kosovo all carrying out similar arrests. they have been doing this for months searching for members of isil. thanks for joining us. what is behind all of these raids? >> they don't want another 9/11, and they're really, really worried that there are people within their territories who are going to carry out terrorist attacks. these are people who are affiliated with the islamic state. >> are these raids coincidental? all of a sudden the world is waking up and saying maybe this is a group we should be concerned about, and let's raid a lot people who have been here a lot longer. >> you do have people who are keeping an eye on carious people, who they think might pose some sort of a danger. when isil happens, and it rises to the level that it has in public consciousness over the last couple of months. they want to be careful rather than take a chance that these people aren't going to do anything. so they go ahead and arrest people. rewell don't know that much about who it is people who are moving around the world, and what they

and shep, it's not going to be like it was in kosovo or desert storm in 99 or iraq in 2003. we don't have that kind of target infrastructure to deal with here this, is isis moved a country and established themselves. it's not a state they call themselves a state. targets are going to be limited in scale. and as long as we have targets, we'll be able to go after them everything they can but despite best efforts, it cannot be accomplished 100% we have confidence we're not going to hurt civilians in doing it. so no one can tell how long this campaign is going to go on. it depends on how much targets we have available. we're striking offensively targets in iraq, and also in syria. and that bodes well for this offensive against isis. we know and you've discussed it, that this will not be decisive in terms of destroying and defeating isis. >> what kind of level of concern do you have that this will be motivation for more to join in isis, it will be seen a cross the region as well, here comes the united states. many have argued you don't cutoff heads of two citizens of the world's

given the kosovo precedent would nato need a u.n. security council backing. >> let me stress we're not considering a nato role or even a leading nato role in this operation. a number of nato allies are forming a coalition that also includes countries from the region. so, to avoid any misunderstanding, let me stress that we are not in a process of engaging nato as such in military strikes against isis. i pointed out that at the summit, we mentioned three possibles of a nato involvement. firstly, defense capacity building in iraq. if requested. secondly, the coordinating role. thirdly, strengthen cooperation on intelligence and information-sharing among allies to counter foreign fighters. so the rest of it is quite hypothetical because we haven't received any request for a nato involvement, but nato allies are involved, and i really welcome that. peter, you added the question about u.n. mandate. when individual allies engauge in this, will they need a u.n. mandate? i'm not a legal expert, so i -- but i see the following. isis commits h

student from south korea and astronomy major asked me is that kosovo quiet 19 students believed that this was a picture of a military parade. that's more students than those who actually knew what it was. of those students that did recognize it was interesting that quite a lot really defended the government. they said what the government did was necessary. china would be much worse off today if the government had acted any differently. so it's really a retrospective justification based on china's phenomenal growth rate over the past 30 years. i think that is a very mainstream view even among some of those that went out and protested in 1989. for me personally this experiment was also very interesting because i suddenly realized how nervous i was when i was on those campuses asking those questions. if you bear in mind at this point i was a reporter based in china for 10 years so i had done an awful lot of sneaking around and dressing up as a peasant and trying to sneak into police checkpoints in closed areas in this kind of thing. when i was walking around the university campuses with

states played when we used part of nato for the first time to defeat the serbs when they defeated kosovo. we need everyone to participate to limits of their ability realizing differences of what each can contribute. each can contribute with one of the tools i mentioned. that's the type of strategy to defeat isis. not air strikes by itself. you will not defeat isis with just air strikes. >> a former joint chief of staff for the u.s. military. stay with us here on bbc world news. the british couple that removed their seriously ill son from the hospital against advice and took him to spain shall appear before a judge in madrid. ♪ rejoice for you have entered the promised land of accomodation booking.com booking.yeah! >>> this is bbc world news. i'm geeta guru-murthy with the top story this is hour. pakistan's main tv station has been briefly taken off air by antigovernment protestors. activists calling for the recognition of the prime minister were removed from the studios by the army. >>> the president accuses russia of direct and open aggression. >>> now t the parents of a young boy with

just like in 1999 in kosovo, they were a force for good. >> chairman royce, would you welcome iran if iran was willing to participate. would you want their assistance? >> no, you don't want iran more engaged. iran has been part of most of the problems in that part of the world. you just had a situation where iran was sending long-range missiles to hamas. the rockets you saw fired into tel aviv and jerusalem. i think that any engagement by iran is counter productive. >> let me bring in general mark hertling. is the threat of russian expansion diverting attention of eastern forces away from isis. are normal allies in eastern europe pre-occupied? >> they are. they see it as much of a problem as we see isis. i think what was interesting, michael, the new york times article. one of the key members that signed up was poland. poland has a lot to lose. their ability to look in two directions has said how far they are about to come. >> mr. chairman, doesn't this all necessitate a declaration of war? doesn't need a formal declaration with the chief and the congress? >> it depends on the scope o

expand and they expanded very close to our borders, then the clinton administration intervened in kosovoey argue you pushed us and now don't be surprised at the backlash. >> if you can find one polish citizen who agrees i'll be glad to take that seriously. i mean, look, first of all, i never told them nato wouldn't expand. i ran for president advocating the expax nsion of nato in 1992 and i had a conversation with boris yeltsin who i respect very much and i said look, i don't think you're going to invade eastern europe but you're not going to be there forever. president yeltsin in return for ukraine getting rid of all of its nuclear weapons and sending them the russia signed an agreement with me and the then president of ukraine saying russia would also respect ukraine's territory integrity. president putin said it was an agreement not a treaty therefore i'm not bound by it. i think it's a long rap that expanding nato caused all this. that -- you made me invade georgia and you made me invade yk because they were the only two countries on my border? come on, it's just -- it's not a credib

stations time and again at sea off the horn of africa in the skies over libya, on land in bosnia kosovofghanistan. we have learned the hard way how to work together. we need to keep those skills as our largest operation in afghanistan draws to a conclusion. so we will offer our partner countries more opportunities to work and train with us so that we can remain effective when we deploy and tackle security challenges together. we have also decided to launch a defense capacity building initiative to reinforce our commitment to partner nations and to help the alliance protect stability without deploying large combat forces. this this building on our extensive expertise in supporting, advising and assisting nations with defense and security reforms. building on our close corporation and following their requests, we have agree od to extend this initiative to georgia, mordova, jordan. we reaffirm our readiness to provide security capacity support to libya when conditions permit. and we stand ready to assist iraq should iraq make such a request. finally, there's one group who hold a special re

in particular in helping mediate kosovo and leading the efforts for iran to abandon its nuclear program. she has served with distangs. turning to ukraine, before the summer, we are appalled by the shooting down of the airliner. we need to face the reality that we have seen no let-up in russian aggression and incursion into ukrainian territory. if anything, the situation has gotten worse, not better. this continued russian aggression must be met with a robust, coordinated and united international response which sends a clear message to president putin. does the prime minister agree this is the time for further sanctions including key energy like energy and financial services. can he also tell us what plans for the nato summit to provide support to ukraine. on the situation in gaza, mr. speaker, we deeply regret the loss of life of 2,000 palestinians including many children and israeli soldiers and civilians. -- the rocket attack and defend israel's right to defend itself. but israel's response in this crisis could not be justified. i agree that today's anextation of palestinian land in t

you mentioned president clin in on the in kosovo. they used the appropriations bill to say congress has approved. how can you say you don't approve when you have given us the money to conduct the strikes. the white house has called i an authorization. not just an proappropriation. it's true they did not authorize anything. they just approved the funding of the training and the arming of the rebels and not just that, but in the legislation, even marco rubio has a little bit of nail at the bottom of the legislation says nothing in the legislation should constitute authorization for american forces. so even if they took it that far, they still ducked on the question of authorizing forces. >> i want to get to the question of congress ducking. and there's a well known empirical finding that there are in many cays two presidencies. the presidency around foreign policy in which presidents have much manufacture latitude and then a presidency around domestic policy and we know obstructing much of this president's agenda. what is the political

i was on the cruiser that launched the first cruiser into kosovo.o be there to talk to the sailors and the airmen and the soldiers. >> it is understandable why there are no independent journalists in syria because of beheadings. it is extremely dangerous. a follow-up, does it look like there are massive bombing raids? it is ahat was unleashed at the height of the iraq war? >> we will not know, unless you are in the criminal room, unless you are on the base, unless you can talk to the pilots and find out, why can't they do that? they can't do that because the white house is controlling the message. >> on that point, and i know you have been reporting this, what do you make of the conflicting messages about the strategy of the war coming from the pentagon and you used to covert river and the white house. >> there is no question after talking to four reporters the last 48 hours you have come bind 95 years of experience covering d.o.d. and the white house has an iron grip on what the pentagon is saying and a grip on what reporters are reporting, what ac

. >> their dad was a family man and an army veteran who served two tours in kosovo. kids say they want the world to know him for who he was, not for the tragedy that took his life. >> my dad was not just an instructor, he was funny, strong, a hero and our protector, he was a good man. >> and in . >>> and i can't believe that they believe that it was an acciden accident. >>> and cbc reports that toronto mayor rob ford has withdrawn from the race after a tumor was found in his stomach. his brother will run in his place while he waits for a definitive diagnosis. >>> and the apple phone was in such demand some were unable to access the website, there were reports it sold out completely. no comment on that. so anderson you may have to wait. >> what? they sold out -- that is the one i want. >> got to wait for the 7, i think. >> what? my phone is all crapped out and broken and has been like this for six months. i got to have that new phone. >> all right, susan, thank you very much. >>> when we come back, a remarkable story out of kenya. you may remember the attack that occu

just like in 1999 in kosovo, they were a force for good. >> chairman royce, would you welcome iran if iran was willing to participate. would you want their assistance? >> no, you don't want iran more engaged. iran has been part of most of the problems in that part of the world. you just had a situation where iran was sending long-range missiles to hamas. the rockets you saw fired into tel aviv and jerusalem. i think that any engagement by iran is counter productive. >> let me bring in general mark hertling. are normal allies in eastern europe pre-occupied? >> they are. they see it as much of a problem as we see isis. i think what was interesting, micha michael, the new york times article. one of the key members that signed up was poland. poe laland has a lot to lose. their ability to look in two directions has said how far they are about to come. >> mr. chairman, doesn't this all necessitate a declaration of war? doesn't need a formal declaration with the chief and the congress? >> it depends on the scope of operations. the authorization the president has right now in erbil. what we w

it's been involved in operations in bosnia, kosovo, afghanistan, and in 2010 wanted to remain a money -- non-aligned state. the message coming back is it was for the ukranian people to decide, and backed up by the ukranian president, reminding about the elections coming up. >> the barbarianism. ukraine prime minister david cameron and president obama coauthored an op ed calling on n.a.t.o. to confront the threat and resist impulses. what is n.a.t.o. to do on that front? >> it's not something that will happen from n.a.t.o. itself as an organization. it is something where there's a degree of consensus, as western leaders they've been discussing this idea. the idea in the op edis to build a grand coalition, not just n.a.t.o., referring officials to what was done before desert storm, taking on saddam hussein. they are referring to the idea of the coalition, not the access. i don't think any of the western leaders would back a ground offensive as there was against saddam hussein. they are not talking about anything like that on the ground in iraq and syria. >> very important issues and an

madeleine albright, whose purpose and passion ending blood shed and brutality in kosovo and bosnia and working to heal old wounds in northern ireland, to this day, epitomizes moral leadership and continues to inspire american diplomats wherever they serve. james baker, a tough, texas poker player and deal-maker extraordinaire which i can attest to because he negotiated with vernon jordan the debate rules for george w. bush and me. [laughter] we're still talking to each other. that's diplomacy. actually my campaign folks were caught in a squabble with the bush folks, which is not unusual and jim baker and vernon jordan, got together had a great lunch. perhaps had a martini, i'm not sure. took them half an hour, the rules were done and say good-bye and remain great friends. he made the lonely decision to touch the third rail of american foreign policy and plunge headlong into the peace process at a time when there was very little support for it. and his work to build a global coalition to confront saddam hussein, ahead of operation desert storm to this very day is the gold standard by wh

have these kinds of arguments here marshalled in the iraq war and also marshalled in support of the kosovo intervention but by the different parties. so this gets at what jason was saying, yes, we need to consider in theory the kinds of arguments people are making, but the argument i'm making in my book is if we just look at who says it, not what they say or how they say it, just who is taking the position, who's supporting the war, who's opposing us, that can get us to explaining the majority of support for war. so in my book, the central argument i'm making is that what we learned in about 65, 75 years of study of american public opinion can and should be applied to foreign policy a well. not just about domestic politics. opinion about war is just like opinion about domestic politics. now, there's room for dramatic events, where i'm not saying that events don't matter at all. think about pearl harbor and 9/11. these can change opinion. but contrary to the conventional wisdom, public opinion during times of crisis is shaped by some of the same attachments we see in the domestic stage. i w

but there is a parallel with kosovo because when kosovo was an issue, with very similar considerations like those that we are concerned with, not least, of course, with ethnic cleansing, then the international community, without a resolution, finds itself able to deal with that. a lot is to be said about the long term. we don't have that luxury. the urgency -- >> thank you, mr. speaker. it's so easy to despair. in politics especially, how often do we obsess about the small differences rather than the biggest challenges? too often we are interested by the internal workings of westminster power and we stop looking outwards. we turn away from the world and inwards on ourselves. that's a mistake. our country is internationalist in outlook. . to us, all people matter, like our neighbors matter and our family matters. people in iraq matter. this conflict has innocent victims scared are out of their homes, women, men and children who take no part in violence but who will lose the most. isil have executed a murderous, disastrously effective xachb violence. the summer has seen them take control

i will not pursue a prolonged air campaign like libya, or kosovo. >> those air strikes never happened, but as to prolonged or open-ended in this situation now, the white house acknowledges the president will not be telling the nation how much approximately his plan will cost, or how long it will last. >> i wouldn't expect something that's quite that detailed. he'll talk about the risks that the united states faces. and he'll talk about the strategy that he has put together to confront those risks, to mitigate them, and ultimately to degrade and destroy isil. >> michelle kazzin ski reporting there. president obama may have a lot of convincing to do, when he does publicly unveil his strategy later wednesday. that will be 9:00 p.m. eastern time. a new cnn opinion poll finds that mr. obama does have a lot of doubt among the american public. 67% don't believe he has a clear plan. that's what this speech is really all about. only 30% believe he already has a plan. the survey was taken between last friday and sunday. but the poll does show strong support for more u.s. air strikes against isi

in 1999, the nato forces waged a successful 78 bombing campaign of kosovo.n 2003, nato troops were dispatched to afghanistan as part of the international fight against the taliban after 9/11. while striking isis we're told with u.s. forces on the ground, the heavy lifting, as always, will come from us. american taxpayers pay more than two-thirds or 67% of nato's $9 billion-plus budget, kicking in $618 billion. that's 12 times more than britain. ten times more than france and germany. the smallest contributor, albania, pays only $168 million. and as a percentage of our gdp, u.s. defense spending is far higher than other nato members. 4.4%. compared to 2.4% for britain, less than 2% for the next highest payer, turkey and france, and just over 1% for germany. >> president obama came in as a very idealistic president. in his national security strategy, always spoke about the world we seek. but we have to deal with the world as it is. and we also have to realize that there are many forces, especially, in the islamic world and islamic region still at war with us.

that spans from the cold war to the conflicts in iraq, kosovo, and afghanistan. protecting our nation's security, his inspirational leadership for 36 sessions of congress has resulted in maintaining a military capable of defending the united states, its allies, and its interests around the world. while fully supporting the men and women of our military and their families in keeping with their sacrifices. senator levin's peerless dedication to men and women in uniform and their families led to a unanimous passing of the wounded warrior project and and the repeal of the "don't ask, don't tell." body armor for service members in iraq, pay raises, support for health care, and educational benefits for families as well as improved military voting rights, and care for veterans. these distinguished accomplishments of senator levin reflect great credit upon himself and the department of defense. signed, chuck hagel, secretary of defense. >> the adapt of defense medal for distinguished public service is awarded to the honorable howard p. buck mckeyon for distinguished publ

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given the kosovo precedent would nato lead a u.n.cking to legitimize a military action of the is in syria? >> first, once again let me stress we are not considering a nato role or even a leading nato role in this operation. a number of nato allies are forming a coalition that also includes countries from the region. so to avoid any misunderstanding, let me stress that we are not in the process of engaging nato as such in military strikes against isis. i pointed out that at the summit we mentioned three possibilities of a nato involvement. firstly, defense capacity building in iraq if requested. secondly, a coordinating role. thirdly, strengthened cooperation on intelligence and information sharing among allies to counter foreign fighters. so the rest of it is quite hypothetical because we haven't received any request for a nato involvement, but nato allies are involved and i really welcome that. peter, you added the question about -- >> u.n. security council. >> u.n. mandate. individual allies engaged in this, will they need a u.n. m