as you know, i am becky kourlis. i have a background -- thank you, as the trial court and appellate court judge, but now am running a research institute at the university of denver that we refer to as the sink to tank piles, which is the worst acronym in the world and i apologize, but we were named by a federal judge and he wouldn't let me put just this in the name because he thought justice was a term that was too susceptible to the interpretation of the day. we work in four different areas and i have spoken to this assembly on prior occasions, but usually in the context of our civil justice reform. we do work in legal education, civil justice reform. we work on the family just decide that things in state courts or not we work on judicial selection and performance evaluation. our process as we identify a problem. we gather research, put together wonderful groups of stakeholders. we create models. we've been monitor the implementation and measure outcomes. hence they do tank. to do problem i talk about your current c

justice kourlis: -- trying to direct me toward? justice kourlis: it is easy to say this is all u.s. news & world report's fault and there's nothing we can do about it. but there are things we can do. collectiveked about action by law schools. talk about changes in hiring practices that therefore incentivize law school to produce different products. alternatively, to create different measures for those students who are graduating. , overhere is the bar exam which we do have a significant amount of control and questions about whether we should be thinking about changing the bar ,xam, asking different things directing different kinds of skill set development through the bar exam is he issued that i was trying to put on the floor. in newenderson: hampshire they actually have a pilot program, i will get the name right -- i won't get the name right, the franklin pierce report? ok. it basically allowed law school graduates in new hampshire to completely opt out of the new hampshire bar if they actually took a series of courses that were simulations. they basically built a portfolio. you ta

to my right is for backup kourlis -- rebecca kourlis who spent more than a decade on

it goes to judge kourlis' point, the initial demand from the bar, if we could change that we could end up with people that are better prepared and effective. >> the early cadays of that option, a relatively small number of students chose to do it because they thought it would be harder than taking the test. and altering the final entry, if it were something valid ap reliable. i remember being in a drug court setting one day where a lawyer came in on behalf of his client and he says my client says he doesn't want to do drug court, he'd rather go to prison. what he meant was drug court is pretty darn truck, it would be easier to spend two years in a jail somewhere than go to prison. the key is, a, can you measure and b, that holds people accountable and soeldz out people we shouldn't turn loose on clients, and the others to turn over important things to. >> other questions? judge. we've got a microphone right there. >> i'm going back to the slide and replacing people with technology-- there's a lot going on whether it it's-- [inaudible] i want to know why you're not talking about shrinka