and i had been at kpmg, and i understood the service business. so i grew to love what i now do. >> so, doron, you started a very unusual business. you have a very successful vegan bakery. you, obviously, had to go out and get financing, you had to get somebody to help you get the business off the ground. was it harder to get financing for your nascent business because you're a woman, or were there challenges, do you think, that came to you getting financing because you're a woman? [laughter] >> what a fun topic. yes, and i'm still dealing with this today. about ten years ago when we incorporated our business, i started with a loan, and, um, no knowledge of the business side of what i was doing. i just knew that there was a need for what i was already creating and making in my home, there was a demand for it, and i knew that i could -- i knew i could do it. i don't know how i knew, i just knew, right? just some magic. and i thought, well, i need some money. and my friend said, well, i have some money, i have $20,000. i said, great, that's enough.