take that into washington where krause has more influence. what has the agency said? treasury department, as well as maybe even the company he is still employed by which i found super surprising? >> the treasury department says things are operating normally while the doge team conducts its work was up the weekend, krause and other staffers were temporarily stopped from accessing data and using the data. however, whether reporting finds is this is a strategy come a time-honored strategy, among private equity companies to load up companies with debt, buy them lots of debt. you have to cut lots of costs in order to repay that debt. in terms of the potential impact on the federal government, it depends on who you talk to. we have spoken to folks and included their commentary in our story that they ultimately krause to be a positive thing in terms aggressively finding ways to be more efficient. we have also spoken to other industry experts, security experts, government experts who say applying a private equity approach to government could potentially have very serious and

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it's a great question, but, you know, treasury is claiming that, you know, tom krause, ceo of cloud group, has read only access as if that is supposed to make us feel better. but it's a remarkable justification because read only access is still illegal. the law bars access to individuals who lack a legitimate need for it. presumably they want this access for something they plan to use the data in some way, either to reject payments or to use it for some other punitive purpose. it's something that regular americans are fearful of, and certainly it's not something that's allowed or legal. >> members of congress have really joined in in protest against these moves, specifically by doge. i want to play for you something that democratic congressman jamie raskin said in standing out in protesting against moves like this. >> elon musk. >> you may have illegally seized power over the financial payment systems of the united states department of treasury, but you don't control. >> the money of. >> the american people. the united states congress does that. we don't have a fourth branch of government

go back to state then the doge official that is at the treasury department, tom krause, who's kind ofrunning point over there, responded very sharply to the career official, saying, i would propose to you that perhaps you have legal liability here, like you might have some exposure legally. the individual, if you do not do what we're saying to do now, what we don't know is what happened between that moment and the resignation scott bessent coming in, approving access to these payment systems on the read only basis, as you noted, that's. >> what they say. >> how do we how do we verify. >> that's that's what we're in talking to sources that were briefed on this, their concern is the jump from we want all this access. we want explicit action. we want a number of different things, eight different bullet points to we will accept read only when their guy is in place. seems unlikely. it is kind of how people were framing it to us. now. we don't know that it did or didn't happen. what we know is that the treasury department has said read only in a letter to lawmakers, scott bessent has said r

the order would allow exceptions for two special government employees at the treasury, tom krause and marco velez, saying they're permitted access as needed to perform their duties, provided that such access to payment records will be read only. >> now. >> wired has. >> more reporting on ellis, who's a 25 year old engineer. he previously worked for two musk companies, and multiple sources tell wired that his direct access to treasury department systems prior to this agreement included the ability not just to read, but to write code on two of the most sensitive systems in the us government. wired notes that these systems control government payments that, in their totality, amount to more than a fifth of the us economy. so while that's happening at treasury, a restriction or some kind of a small rollback, d.o.j. staffers are also in the process of gaining widespread access to u.s. health payment systems. the washington post reports doj officials want access to a vast federal database that touches nearly every corner of american healthcare. it's an accounting system that contains sensiti

according to the language agreed to by the two sides, one of the two is musk ally tom krause, the chief executive officer at cloud software group. the other is marco ellis. treasury department officials were asked by the judge if those musk allies had distributed the fiscal data to anybody else, and they said, as far as we are aware, no, they have not. outside the treasury department, as far as we are aware. well, that's not exactly comforting. but wait, there's more. the wall street journal is reporting tonight that marco ellis has resigned from his position at doge because the journal found that he had links to deleted twitter media accounts, where he attacked the notion of indian nationals in the tech world and declared that he was racist before it was cool. ellis did not respond to the journal's request for comment. joining me now is msnbc political analyst and former congressman david jolly and judd legum, author of popular information judge. judge, i want to start with you, because this sort of to our knowledge, these young doge kids have not shared anything that doesn't make me f

tom cruise, a krause, a former tech executive and now the top doge staffer at treasury. told a lyric, this is the treasury acting secretary that he could have legal risk himself if he chose not to comply with this directive to simply stop all payments. these are federally authorized by the congress payments that they are, according to the law, obligated to fulfill. he was threatening him with legal exposure. >> yeah. so this is part of the problem that i have with doge. i think that and most people who've talked about it, most people agree that this is a good effort to get out the waste, fraud and abuse in government. but doge being the entity that it is. and because for all intents and purposes, it is a presidential commission and donald trump has given it much more authority than i thought that it would have. i think that people need to seriously consider whether or not in the direction that doge is going. there is no reason that this person should not have been vetted, but they weren't. and a simple, probably twitter search would have found whatever the information is

specifically referencing was the 25 year old doge engineer, the person that you're referencing, which is krause, is definitely in charge. yeah. >> and so when you look at this in terms of who is making up the team, we're learning more about them. and there has been some frustration. you know, you were talking last night about how some of them don't even want to reveal their full names to the government employees they're talking to. there is a 19 year old who's on the team who we've now learned was fired from an internship that he was doing for leaking internal information to about the company, proprietary information to a competitor. that was years ago. but but how are they kind of viewing the sense of of who is actually on this team? >> well, so to be clear, that person was not necessarily involved in treasury. we've had him show up at opm, the office of personnel management, which is sort of the hr function of the government and the general services administration, which is in charge of all the real estate holdings and deals with its i.t. systems and stuff. and, you know, i think that is part

the treasury secretary scott bessent approved access to the payment system for a team led by tom krauselicon valley executive working income -- concert with his government efficiency department. serving and nonpolitical roles a treasury for several decades and had been the acting secretary before the confirmation of scott bessent had refused to turn over access to his surrogates, people familiar with the situation told the washington post trump officials placed him on administrative leave and announces retirement friday emailing colleagues. adding the spokesperson for treasury, but it says the sensitive systems run by the bureau fiscal service control the flow of more than $6 trillion annually to millions of people across the country rely on those systems for social security payments, payments to government contractors. tax refunds amongst tens of thousands. lynn up next in illinois, a democrats line. >> can you hear me? >> you are on, go ahead. i missed the beginning of the show, but i have extreme concern by the older gen x and an uncle and father who was in world war ii. we were orig

the treasury secretary scott bessent approved access to the payment system for a team led by tom krauselicon valley executive working income -- concert with his government efficiency department. serving and nonpolitical roles a treasury for several decades and had been the acting secretary before the confirmation of scott bessent had refused to turn over access to his surrogates, people familiar with the situation told the washington post trump officials placed him on administrative leave and announces retirement friday emailing colleagues. adding the spokesperson for treasury, but it says the sensitive systems run by the bureau fiscal service control the flow of more than $6 trillion annually to millions of people across the country rely on those systems for social security payments, payments to government contractors. tax refunds amongst tens of thousands. lynn up next in illinois, a democrats line. >> can you hear me? >> you are on, go ahead. i missed the beginning of the show, but i have extreme concern by the older gen x and an uncle and father who was in world war ii. we were orig