in it krebs assured the public in a line bolded for emphasis there was no evidence any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or in any way compromised. that statement was a big deal because at the time trump was insisting his election had been stolen and lawsuits were popping all over the country. and here was his administration's agency, the one that oversaw elections and cyber security saying outloud we can assure you we have the utmost confidence in the security and integrity of our elections. that statement incensed president trump, and days later he fired chris krebs by tweet because that's how trump fired people. now "the new york times" is reporting that jack smith's office is interested in all of that. they want to know how mcentee's personal office interacted in the period. "the times" reports the special counsel appears to be focused on trump's state of mind during that period. it is likely the special counsel wants to know the degree to which trump himself knew the election was not stolen while he continued to promote the big lie to his supporters and to amer

what happened to chris krebs is not uncommon.of the administration, as your reporting just suggests correctly, there were a lot of people that drew the ire of the president for telling the truth. bill barr is another example. and jeff rosen and other officials at the department of justice, by -- and there's just no evidence to support the incendiary things you were saying publicly about the election and they either lost their jobs or almost lost their jobs. and that all -- his attempts to replace people that we're doing the right thing, people that were willing without a basis in fact a lot to say other things to facilitate this multi part plan to disrupt the joint session, that is why special counsel is asking -- nothing loyalty and all these personal changes. >> yeah, the times reports that the special counsel is in particular looking at what president trump in and around the justice department in trying to install trump loyalist there. can you flush out for me why in particular why the department of justice -- which that is se

after krebs said the 2020 election was the most secure election we had.op cybersecurity official under trump. why does jack smith want to know what trump was thinking when he fired krebs? >> what we believe he is trying to do, and part of why this tape is important, goes to mindset, what he was thinking when he made certain decisions. and so is the idea, you know, and these subpoenas relate to personnel office officials in the white house, you know, who compiled this dossier about, you know, misdeeds that krebs supposedly committed which i think a lot of people looking at it would have a different view. but that's basically something that smith is looking at is trying to figure out how the white house interacted with krebs, with the doj as various actions were being taken by trump in relation to his efforts to claim power. >> the other probe that -- >> yes. >> important to differentiate, right. >> jack smith's team is up to a lot. so the documents investigation is the one that is sort of i think the most decision tilled and narrow fact set. it's clear. we

how does the firing of krebs go into this broader case around election interference? >> hard to say, given we don't know the contours of that case. but you could imagine, based on what we do know part of the firing of crabs, that donald trump did not want any information with discredited his own discredited theory of how the election was stolen from them, by joe biden. having a top cybersecurity guy say they were no cybersecurity problems, this was a safe, we'll conduct election, and when that was made, presented to him, then he later fired this individual. it appears more like retaliation and go to this question of intent. donald trump knows what he is saying was false, and going forward, stating those falsehoods even in the face of very credible -- credible evidence, saying in fact it was not the case the election was stolen. >> congressman, quickly, i will see people here, for republicans like jim jordan, being seriously weaponization, investigating weaponization's of the government, wouldn't the firing of krebs be a good place to start? >> 100%, ayman. what is sho

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efforts to overturn the election is reviewing the events surrounding the firing of this man, chris -- krebs was dismissed just days after the agency that he had released a statement proclaiming the 2020 elections quote the most secure in american history. end quote. an assertion that was in direct opposition to trump's unfounded assertion that the election was stolen from him. despite all of that trump is unchanged. he's not been humbled by the handful of an ongoing criminal investigations targeting him. instead he embarks on another run for the white house and remains the front runner for the republican nomination. he's emboldened to get back into office and to purge the federal government of the people who have been investigating him. according to new reporting by austin -- and rolling stone this week, trump and his team have been working to identify the fbi agents another justice department personnel who were involved in those investigations with the intention of dismissing them should trump win the presidency again. among the list of people who trump would fire at the outset of a possib

like jim jordan serious about weaponization and investigating weaponization of the government, would krebs'sg be a good place to start? >> 100 percent. and really what's shocking is that so many republicans have rushed to endorse donald trump, even florida republicans with all of these controversies, scandals, and criminal exposure. they are not going to use these committees to investigate trump or any of the people around him, instead, they have rushed to endorse a donald trump, someone who by the time primary season comes around, might have indicted three times. >> it's not a profile encouraged that -- we've got a lot more to discuss coming up the break. we are going to discuss the growing chaos in golfing trump 's legal team. ♪ shelves. shelves that know what taste buds want. shelves smart enough to see, sense, react, restock. ♪ so caramel swirl is always there for the taking. (wheezing) asthma isn't pretty. it's the moment when you realize that a good day... is about to become a bad one. but then, i remembered that the world is so much bigger than that, with trelegy. because one dose a d

like jim jordan serious about weaponization and investigating weaponization of the government, would krebs's firing be a good place to start? >> 100 percent. and really what's shocking is that so many republicans have rushed to endorse donald trump, even florida republicans with all of these controversies, scandals, and criminal exposure. they are not going to use these committees to investigate trump or any of the people around him, instead, they have rushed to endorse a donald trump, someone who by the time primary season comes around, might have indicted three times. >> it's not a profile encouraged that -- we've got a lot more to discuss coming up the break. we are going to discuss the growing chaos in golfing trump's legal team. ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ every day, more dog people, and more vets are deciding it's time for a fresh approach to pet food. they're quitting the kibble. and kicking the cans. and feeding their dogs dog food that's actually... well, food. developed with vets. made from real meat and veggies. portioned for your dog. and delivered right to your door. it

they gave me a collateral duty on the side to focus on election security which is how i've met chris krebs and i was his lawyer then and in some ways still am. election security and cybersecurity. and was recruited out of cisa to microsoft where they called and asked do you want to be the lawyer that defends democracy. yes. there is no other answer to that. 2020 elections were deemed secure and microsoft asked me to stand up the ransomware program in the digital crimes unit which i didn't tell the white house called. that is a call you don't say no to. that is a long story but i thought since we have interns in the room we would go through the entire story to tell you cybersecurity was not a discipline when any of us were in school. i'm so thrilled it is a discipline now so i can only imagine what amazing you're going to do in the future but bring your whole self. bring all of your experiences. had you asked me even five years ago was i going to end up in the white house as a national cyber director i would have chuckled. my brother says i knew that was going to happen. but it is outstandi

trump official that said it was the most secure election in american history. >> five days later, krebsghly inaccurate statement. >> oh, boy. >> the justice department is also reportedly asking witnesses about broader efforts made by trump's presidential personnel office to test the loyalty of government officials and potential hires. additionally, "the times" reports smith's team is looking into how personnel office staffers interacted with the doj in the final weeks of the trump administration. >> you know, that is not going to go really well for them. >> no. >> you look at the january 6th hearing, and you have people who were -- >> you don't do that. >> i mean, jonathan lemire, you have people who were donald trump's, like, attorneys, representing him through impeachments. but in those final weeks, you had these guys rising up. we saw this in the deposition, calling out these would-be, i mean, coup leaders inside the doj. you know, i'm not so sure donald trump is the only person in trouble here. when you're trying to overthrow the federal government, when you're trying to overthrow a