. >>> kansas secretary of state kris kobach. kris, we forget, you can't see us.you know, it's a case of, i find compelling about the economic benefits that come from bringing people out of the shadows. the economic benefits that come from immigration. >> well, i think if you look at the numbers, though, they really don't add up. here are important numbers to consider. one is you have almost 25 million americans who are either unemployed or underemployed and you have approximately of the 11 million illegal aliens here you have 7 million in the workforce. those are 7 million jobs that u.s. citizens could be vying for and putting food onhe table. $2.6 trillion, $2.6 trillion is the estimated cost to us taxpayers, if we were to grant an amnesty to the 11 million here because they suddenly become eligible for all kind of welfare benefits, social security, earned income tax credits. >> what time horizon is that numberç over? >> ten year. >> $260 billion a year? that seems radically -- >> you didn't hear me, $2.6 trillion -- >> over a ten-year time horizon? that's a $2