now, looking at the hare krishna, a lot of people thought the hare krishnas were some kind of a new age cult when they seemed to emerge on the scene in the '70s, and part of it was just their aggressive proselytizing, but it's another very ancient form of hinduism. now, from the experiential dimension, we're going to meet shankara pundit, who's president of the hare krishna temple in the chicago area. and shankara, who was a seeker - he's an american, was in a rock band, looked for answers to life, picked up some books, picked up the bhagavad gita, picked up the literature from the hare krishna movement, and he found. well, he's going to talk about his own experience as a hare krishna, and so we'll listen to identity and relationship in his comments, but also the joy, the bhakti, the pleasure, the bliss that a hare krishna devotee feels when he calls on the name of god and when he honors the name of god. so let's hear it from the voice of a believer - shankara pundit, hare krishna devotee. >> this chanting consists of three words - hare, krishna, and rama. hare represents the spiritual