also with us, msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin and former federal prosecutor kristy greenberg.s hearing just about to get going. what's happening now and what do we expect to learn today? >> the former president entering the building behind me just about 30 minutes or so with his motorcade, ana. you mentioned this is really just about the data, the trial, i'm dealing with some motions as well filed specifically by the former president's attorneys along with the juror questionnaire. let's talk about the date first. right now we're looking at may 20th. aileen cannon has indicated that's going to get pushed back. the proposed date so far by jack smith specifically was july 8th, by donald trump's attorneys was august 12th. quite frankly they said they want this thing to happen after the election. there was some overlapse when it comes to the juror questionnaires. we want to focus on the date that may come out of this hearing today. and whether or not there's going to be any collaboration between judge aileen cannon and the other judges in the other cases and trials in which the for

also with us is kristi greenberg. and msnbc legal analyst and former deputy chief of the fdny criminal division. the perfect people to break this down for all of us. you were in the courtroom today. you describe the judge as, quote, coming in hot. explain how the judge kind of got this back on track today. >> well, so in january, trumps legal team requested documents and they produced about 200,000 pages of documents. trumps legal team that goes bananas and says, we got to dismiss the case. discovery violations for the prosecutors, on the german trial. donald trump lost all of those motions decisively today, because the law says the d.a.s office needs to disclose documents that are relevant and within their custody control and possession. these documents were not relevant. the bizet's office was asked how are they relevant, and they said less than 300 of those 200,000. trumps team hemmed and hard. they couldn't really answer. they said tens of thousands. these were bank records that had nothing to do with the case. sp

joining me now is kristy greenberg, former federal prosecutor who served for over a decade in the u.sice from the southern district of new york. kristy, thank you for being here. i find this, i had to put my eyes back in my head, the idea that two of the companies that are named in the civil fraud lawsuit, trump has suddenly moved to the state of florida. first of all, isn't there someone who is overseeing the trump organization right now and should she not have been aware of, or been made aware that this kind of thing was happening. >> under the court's orders, he has to notify the independent monitor, former judge barbara jones of any kind of movement of assets, or any changes to those entities, certainly changing the address. what about the banks, where are the accounts associated with those entities? she needs to be tracking all of that. the fact that they put this in a letter, and -- -- some addresses are wrong. no, you did not tell them, you did not tell the a.g. or the monitor who supposed to be a babysitter and make sure you are doubting your eyes and crossing your t's. you di

. >>> let me bring in kristy greenberg, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst and dig intos legal first amendment argument, kristy. anything jump out at you that might lead you to believe that judge mcafee would be more open to this argument from trump's attorneys than say judge chutkan was when she rejected a similar argument? >> not at all. look, this is a really fundamental principle that speech in furtherance of criminal conduct is not received first amendment protection, and judge mcafee seemed highly skeptical of donald trump's attorneys' arguments to the contrary. there are various allegations in the indictment here about soliciting state officials, to unlawfully point fake electors, to ask, you know, the secretary of state to find him 11,780 more votes, soliciting the doj officials to make false statements about election fraud, soliciting mike pence to delay the joint session of congress where they would count the votes. all of those things are speech, but they're speech in furtherance of a criminal conspiracy, and so they don't enjoy first amendment protection, and

joining me is -- former fellow prosecutor for the northern district of illinois kristi greenberg for myrna -- southern district of new york. i would like to start with you. i want your reactions to the filing specifically let's look at the one in the new york case. trump's attempts to delay to adjourn this trial from beginning before the show started i looked at really carefully the arguments he is raising and put aside whether or not those that conduct as alleged kristi actually falls within the official kind of parameters or the parameters of his official conduct. i had a concern about the fact trump is fighting to the anderson case which is the recent decision from colorado. and also citing to the fact scotus decided to take up the presidential unity defense in the first place. do you think that gives the judge some cause for pause mount? >> those cases are interesting. what is even more interesting is the case -- mentioned which was the case that was before judge hellerstein in this very matter. where they sought trump's lawyers sought to remove the case to federal court. in this

kristy greenberg is former deputy chief of the sdny criminal division.a rubin is an msnbc legal correspondent, and she is with me on set. so somehow enough money was brought together for a bond. what does that mean, and are we going to find out where that money came from. >> not necessarily, let's start with what it means. it means that at the end of the appeals process if e. jean carroll prevails, we know that she will get her money because the security for it has been posted, that $91 million plus has been set aside and essentially placed in an escrow account, alina habba trump's lawyer has asked judge lou kaplan for approval of this amount. he today earlier ordered that her lawyers, meaning carroll's lawyers could oppose that if they want. i've never seen that before. i've never seen someone oppose a bond. i think they will be very glad that donald trump has obtained the amount necessary to cover their verdict because, in her case, she doesn't care where it comes from. it's folks like us who care what the sources and terms of that bond were, chris. >>

joining me now to discuss is kristi greenberg, former federal prosecutor who served in the southern district of new york and tim miller, writer at large at people work and cohost of the next level podcast. kristi, how is this legal? how can you, how can he keep saying this one thing and doing another? >> i think the big question here will be looking behind all of this is to who is coordinating it? if donald trump is coordinating between his campaign and the pac that is supposed to be third parties and independent, the save america pac is independent third party, if there is sufficient coordination, you could prove that, then maybe you would have something to say. the six managers are not purely personal, these are campaign contributions. and, therefore, they should be subject to the limits of $5000 resents campaign contributions are subject to. it seems to me they are just trying to do an end run around these various regulations and it seems so transparent. the question is, will anybody look into this? will the fec look into this? will any prosecutors look into this ? it is unclear. >> we ar

for more, let's get to msnbc legal analyst glen kirschner and kristi greenberg. also an msnbc legal analyst. glen, trump has lost his immune city argument in two courts so far, what do you think of today's brief? and what do you expect from the supreme court on this. >> oh, it is very difficult to predict where the supreme court might land. they are not the most consistent institution of government these days but here is what bothered me when i was reading through this new court filing in the supreme court. the very first sentence of the section labeled summary of argument, i will use a nice word. jonathan, is inaccurate. or i could call it a lie. here is how they open that section of their brief. they say, quote, a former president enjoys absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for his official acts, close quote. here is the problem with that assertion of fact. there is no law, there is no precedent, no appellate court opinion, there is no constitutional provision that supports that assertion of fact. indeed, the constitution provides the exact opposite in t

joining me to discuss kristi greenberg who served in the district attorney's office for the southern district of new york. and tim miller. how can he keep saying one thing and doing another? >> well, i think the big question here will be coordinating between all of this. if there's sufficient yard nagds, you could prove that, then maybe you would have something toen say. these expenditures are not purely personal. these are really campaign contributions, and therefore they should be subject toam the limits ofho $5,000 that campaig contributions aret subject to. again, itbj seems to me like yo said they're just trying to do an end run around these various regulations, and it seems so transparent. the question is will anybody look into this? will any prosecutors look into this? it's unclear. >> can i ask a follow-up because we're on the eve kind of the stormy daniels hush money case. we're talking about a whopping sum of money here being moved around various pacs and super pacs and campaign arms and republican committees to ultimately help donald trump in his bid for the presidency. do

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kristy greenberg and tim o'brien are back with us. the break pulling on this a little more because, kristy, and i appreciate your first point at the opening of this hour, but it resonated with me in a way that said, we have to take this system and say do the job. take the risk of doing the job. yes, donald trump people are going to get past, but the american people are more. how do we overcome this situation so the application of the rule of law against donald trump is the same for everybody else. mikey mike doesn't get to call out a judgment ski family members as his leaving the courtroom ago in front of a bank of cameras and call out a clerk. >> not leaving the building. >> the judge would haul his behind back into the courtroom. help us try to navigate this a little more cleanly to understand. jurors are watching this, to symone's point. there thinking, i'm not going to play. >> in some respects, because he is running for president, going back to a year ago when this issue was first raised, the potential of a gag order, he said, thi

burns in west palm beach, florida, along with msnbc legal analyst former federal prosecutor kristy greenbergminal defense attorney danny cevallos. kristy, can you just lay out this argument and this brief that we're hearing from the new york attorney general, letitia james, here what her argument is? >> so she says a number of things. first she says there's a lack of information. donald trump in objecting to putting up all of this money or getting a bond hasn't really explained what he did, what efforts he's made to get a bond, what properties he's put up on what terms, and then she actually takes a shot at him and says maybe his property isn't worth as much as he says it is, and maybe that's why. we have no understanding as to why all of these companies are saying now. and by the way, there are alternatives, as you said, you could split it up among different companies to have smaller amounts if it's the amount that's the problem, but we actually don't know what's the problem because you're not saying what is, and at a minimum, as you said, there were ways to put up at least the properties i

. >>> federal federal prosecutor kristi greenberg joins me. plus the reaction to trump's attacks on the judge and his daughter after a partial gag order later, the trump stock bubble in houston in may hop. >>> breaking news and the israel-hamas war. nbc news confirming that biden administration signed off on sending aliens of dollars in bonds and fighter jets to israel despite the administration's deep concerns over anticipated invasion in southern gaza that could threaten the lives of hundreds of thousands of palestinians this coming as the second ship carrying aid to gaza moves up from cyprus today. carrying 400 tons or so of food as famine is threatening the enclave. meghan fitzgerald has the latest. what are you hearing out of the white house? tragic president biden has been very clear that israel invading profit more than 1 million people are seeking shelter is a redline. israel has been clear that they will proceed as they wish. meanwhile, nbc news has been able to confirm that the united states continues to provide deadly and powerful w

but having talked about this last night with kristy greenberg, who is a former federal prosecutor, she pointed out to me that the whether and if so to what extent should also trouble us to some degree, because both tanya chutkan and the d.c. circuit found that there is no immunity for a former president for official acts full stop. now, the supreme court in the way they framed the question seems to be suggesting that they want to parse that a little bit. they want to carve out some form of official immunity, and more so, that they want to allow perhaps the former president to define what is and is not official acts rather than allow the department of justice to determine what that is based on the allegations of the indictment. so you're right. i think this is somewhat farcical. i'm not sure why the court is taking this case. if not to at least partially reverse the d.c. circuit, and make it all the more difficult for tanya chutkan or anybody else other than juan rashon here in new york state, to try any of the cases involving former president trump before this election. >> they're tryi

. >> joining me is kristi greenberg, former prosecutor with the southern district of new york and an msnbc analyst, and emily basil on with the new york times. that was a fast ruling from judge kelly, she said she would rule promptly, we did an expected to happen a couple of hours after court recessed but cannon didn't really decide anything. what are your thoughts about this ruling? >> right, she dismissed the motion that donald trump made that essentially the statute is too vague, the espionage act is too vague, as it's applied to him and judge cannon in her order said well there are still these fluctuating definitions, it's like, what, what is fluctuating exactly? the statute has been applied over and over again, there are decisions on it. this isn't an area of law that is new. there are decisions that tell you exactly what the terms are and it was explained to him from lawyers, exactly, that he could not keep these documents, so i'm not really sure what she is talking about as to why this is vague, it seems like this was a motion that could have been decided on the papers but you

>> joining me now is kristi greenberg former federal prosecutor and former deputy head of the criminalern district of new york. welcome. what do you think the significances of him coming forward to tell his story and how damaging can this be for trump? >> so he has already spoken to jack smith. his information is incorporated in the indictment. it's not in the indictment he shared with prosecutors and he's a significant is. is someone that had worked out mar-a-lago for over 20 years . he have loyalty to trump and various codefendants as well. he is not somebody that has an ax to grind. he doesn't really want to give up information on his friends but he is doing it because it does not have a trump paid attorney. he has an attorney that is a former u.s. attorney for the southern district of florida. he declined the offer to pay for an attorney for him. with that, the attorney will actually give him advice in his own best interest. one thing that he said in his interviews that i thought was interesting is he talked about the fact that as a valet he had australian billing your anthony prat

. >> i want to bring in kristy greenberg, former federal prosecutor and former deputy head of the criminaln southern district of new york. so, trump's attorneys say okay, we're going to put 100 million dollars down for this bonds appeal. and we're kind of asking for special conversation or something, because we don't necessarily have the cash. however, donald from just said he has substantially, in excess, $400 million, if not weigh more, and it's going up by the day. so, he talks about, he has a cash, but he saying he doesn't certainly have the cash. is this an effort for him not to sell off his assets or is he hiding cash? >> so, look, it could be both. i mean, it's really unclear. he clearly does not want to sell assets. he makes that clear in his papers that that would be calling him a irreparable harm. but he needs to, in order to be able to appeal, he has to put up the money, whether through eight bonds or yes to put up the cash. and as to beautiful about. it can't be this okay, we're gonna give you 25% of what the judgment amount is. that's not how it works. there's no deal making h

witness in the manhattan case and the host of the political be down podcast also with us is kristi greenberg who was in the courtroom today. she's an analyst and the former deputy chief of the fdny criminal division. kristi, i want to start with you. you describe the judge as, quote, coming in hot, explain how the judge got this case back on track today? >> well, so in january, trump's legal team requested documents from the york and trump's legal team said we've got to dismiss the case, discovery violations for the prosecutors and adjourned the trial. trump lost all of those motions decisively today because the law says the das office needs to disclose documents that are relevant and within their custody control and possession. and these documents were not relevant, the das office was asked how many are relevant and they said less than 300. but trump's team couldn't really answer, they said tens of thousands. they really didn't know. at the end of the day these were bank records that had nothing to do with the case. the special counsel reports had nothing to do with it, and then the questio

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