kristina karamo refused to accept that she was legitimately ousted.an republicans ended up with two competing official republican party websites, both declaring a different person to be the party's official chair. last week, the national republican party stepped in and officially recognized the new chair over kristina karamo. but christina karamo is still not admitting defeat. that is the crazy thing about election deniers. karami called a national republican party's endorsement of the new chair sabotage, and it's discriminatory. she called republicans who voted to oust her a quote impostor organization, fraudulently claiming to be the michigan republican party. it's not like she's been doing this from the sidelines either. according to an addition to the party social media account, kristina karamo reportedly still has control over the party's bank accounts, and assets. and now this is all about interfere with the republican primary in the state. to be clear, this was already going to be a confusing year in michigan politics because of some complicate

this woman, kristina karamo, she was voted out last month after trump made it clear he wanted her gonebut she refused to accept the results of the election. yeah, wonder where she got that idea? [ laughter ] [ applause ] "when i left you, i was but a learner. now i am the master." they say this is the biggest mess in michigan since eminem vomited up his mom's spaghetti. [ laughter ] joe biden is running essentially unopposed. the president met with leaders from both parties at the white house today to see if they can again try to stave off another last-minute government shutdown. if congress doesn't pass a bill to fund the government by end of day friday, we are in a big mess. and i would imagine that days like this have biden wondering why he ever even considered running for president again. >> thank you all for coming. that's what we're going to be talking about. thank you. [ conflicting shouted questions from reporters ] >> thank you, so much, everyone. >> you'll get a chance to talk afterwards. [ conflicting shouted questions from reporters ] [ laughter ] >> we probably didn't need

in michigan the state republican party voted to fire its head, kristina karamo, or later this month, and replace her with pete hoekstra, a former republican -- she's the election denying conspiracy theorist who ran to be in michigan's secretary of state in 2022. >> to have an intimate relationship with people who are demonically possessed -- as the person opens themselves up to possession. didn't demonic possession is real. i don't know all the details of it, but i would surmise that the say licentiousness in our culture is a lot of spiritual things that can go wrong. >> she didn't win that race in 2022, thankfully, and you can see why republicans decided they don't want her running the show anymore. here's the thing. she's refusing to step down. and it's now splitting its party in half. in fact, the rnc had a big meeting today with representatives from across the nation, and michigan republicans did not have a seat at the table because caramel refuses to step down and had the reins to hoekstra. in fact, both of them showed up today, each showing they are in charge of the michigan re

chair, according to the new chair of the michigan republican national committee determination to kristina karamoto fight as she continues to -- but in all these places, they seem like, financially, institutionally, presumably, everything you want the rnc to do, to build on backup. >> that's an excellent point. when i came to the rnc -- >> this was their thing? >> this was my thing. we it was to put resources on the ground, and i got criticized for it. at the end of the day, i had websites, because when i got there, 38 out of the 50 state parties did not have a website. i spent $6 million on things like that. this is where the rnc is today. you take six minute dollars out to help the state party, organization, get up to speed for the upcoming cycle. the numbers did not add up in the. and here is the problem, the state parties themselves have begun to fracture. as michigan shows you, the internal infighting. what does that you, donors don't give? >> right, where is it going to go to? >> major donors are like hell no. that is the michigan problem, nevada problem. >> it will be interesting to see ho

either trump loyalist an election denier kristina karamo, or pete -- a faction of the party voted to of michigan ruled that hotter is the rightful leader of the republican party the state, and judges -- from accessing the bank accounts. i'm not don't know what i'm gonna. so this is what happens when you have election deniers in your power party. they don't like ceding power. >> also the people attracted into the infrastructure in the trump area. we all saw in arizona when they were doing their forensic audit and they had the ev to find the chinese bamboo paper in the ballot. those are the people that show up. so those are the people that would take down these parties and big question for me is in nevada arizona michigan, all of which have truly dysfunctional republican parties, how much is going to matter. how much is that

kristina karamo, who has held the position, is not giving it up. she says it's not up to the rnc to decide. she has also maintain control of the michigan gop email accounts. this is all causing major confusion heading into the states caucuses on march 2nd. alex? >> okay, julian frenkel with a report from detroit, thank you, julian. i want to bring in senior national politics reporter jonathan allen and criminal attorney and msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. welcome. jonathan, trump was back on the campaign trail last night. he's expected, of course, to appeal the new york civil fraud trial decision. that appeals process could take several years to solve. what do you think happens in the interim? what are you looking to see in the coming days? >> i think he's going to have to make some preparations for making these payments. obviously, there is interest attached to the judgment. i do think that we, generally speaking, the media admitted a big story that happened this week. it could be very good news for e donald trump financially which is that, ba

kristina karamo was elected as republican party chair in february of 2023, and then was ousted not that excuse me, not that long ago. and replaced by former congressman pete hoekstra, a former ambassador to the netherlands, who has since been recognized by the rnc as the state party chair and even by former president trump as the state party chair. and the interesting thing about this for the primary season is that both chirano and hoekstra are hosting dueling caucuses conventions on saturday that are going to select the lion's share of the delegates to the convention over the summer. and it's going to be fascinating to see where folks to show up and in fact, what the rnc does with those results after south he today. >> yeah. there's a lot to look at in this and will be of course, watching as the numbers come in to see where things stand. but everyone agrees. i think you both agree that the two people that will be the nominee coming out of michigan will be president biden and former president trump, david and todd. thank you so much for coming on and giving your expertise okay >> and he