it may be about listening more but the bottom line is you still have to act,. >> rose: what kristine lagarde once said if it was president lehman brothers had been layman sisters we wouldn't have had the problem. >> we wouldn't have drove off the cliff so quickly. >> rose: that's because just of the notion of women have having i mean a lot of women think the world would be a better place if more women were ruling the world, we are, were in positions of institutional leadership because in a sense they would bring a whole different set of values but it would already have this sort of -- >> and that is what is so critical about this, charlie, there are women you know who are so confident that maybe they could be at the next -- at the very next level so even the most powerful women we found are sometimes holding themselves back, and we agree, we need more women at the top. >> rose: yes. but you really believe that i mean you have cheryl sandberg who says someone get up and just wonder if i am fooling people and should i be here. >> and she said that and going into a peg meeting sometimes i feel