let's step back from this crazy brinksmanship and say this to the republican who raised the debt krooelver and over for their guy and you had herman kane on the other night. i spanked him with facts. he did didn't have facts for you facts. you said how much? he said this isn't enough but i can't tell you how much. that's not a tea party you can negotiate with and we're well past the point of rhetoric. >> one thing with ari, the idea we'll get the whole thing done, meaning we'll have a blueprint to get to a balanced budget before you have to raise the debt ceiling is not realistic. but neither is a trillion dollars when you look at a $19 trillion cumulative publicly held debt over the next ten years. >> i can say in the seconds, the ideological battle is republicans are saying we will agree to massive cuts to increase the debt ceiling. democrats are saying we'll agree to massive cuts if you agree to additional revenues. republicans and democrats are nowhere close as to whether revenue will go up. that's a line in the sand for both sides. i grabbed the last second. i apologize. as always

let's step back from this crazy brinksmanship and say this to the republican who raised the debt krooelr and over for their guy and you had herman kane on the other night. i spanked him with facts. he did didn't have facts for you facts. you said how much? he said this isn't enough but i can't tell you how much. that's not a tea party you can negotiate with and we're well past the point of rhetoric. >> one thing with ari, the idea we'll get the whole thing done, meaning we'll have a blueprint to get to a balanced budget before you have to raise the debt ceiling is not realistic. but neither is a trillion dollars when you look at a $19 trillion cumulative publicly held debt over the next ten years. >> i can say in the seconds, the ideological battle is republicans are saying we will agree to massive cuts to increase the debt ceiling. democrats are saying we'll agree to massive cuts if you agree to additional revenues. republicans and democrats are nowhere close as to whether revenue will go up. that's a line in the sand for both sides. i grabbed the last second. i apologize. as always th